Question: Should old Genesis Traits be counted?

[Tad Carlucci]

Rather than '[making] people value something for the wrong reason' I would suggest the idea is more properly to guide people to cease devaluing something for the wrong reasons.

[Devilness Chant]

(03-05-2016 01:01 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote:  Rather than '[making] people value something for the wrong reason' I would suggest the idea is more properly to guide people to cease devaluing something for the wrong reasons.

It can go either way. I've seen some priced higher, because they're considered hard to come by anymore. "Rare"

Changing a gen to a trait isn't going to make a difference and maybe will cause confusion, since they say Gen right in the name.

A rose by any other name will still smell as sweet. There are ppl that love them, buy them and still breed them, that is all that matters.

Maybe hold some auctions using nothing but gen furs from time to time, to show off just how cute they are? Mix in other gen traits? Gen doesn't have to be a bad word, but I don't think it has to be labeled as trait either.

[JessicaArianaHamby Resident]

(03-05-2016 01:01 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote:  Rather than '[making] people value something for the wrong reason' I would suggest the idea is more properly to guide people to cease devaluing something for the wrong reasons.

I LOVE that!!!!

[Kayleigh McMillan]

I'm not to worried we'll lose traits either I hoard them like a mad woman :-)
I am very happy I have loads of old starters because I like those traits more and breed them much much rather.
I am not a fan of reci trait per definition either.
Ody frazywave or double everything tells a little why I prefer the older whiskers.
That said I do not envy the designer in having to keep come up with things.
There are just so many ways whiskers, tails and ears can be bend.
Certainly for traits, besides some uber cute new ones I've obtained without a doubt, I much rather have older traits otherwise.
Funny though that I still collect new traits in the summer regardless of if I like them because losing traits is not going to happen when it is up to me.

[debraworks2 Resident]

Without the Gen where would we all be with our Kitties?...I say they are the most important of all and deserve to be counted as traits once retired....AYE is my vote.

[Arwen Swordthain]

I vote yes to an end to actively seeking to get rid of old gen Furs. Having read the thread my first response was hell yes lets count them and the eyes in a years time too. Then I read the rest and agree for many new breeders who are already confused about traits having some genesis ones count while others don't will be confusing. Lol for some of us older breeders too.
There should be a way to encourage old and new breeders alike to breed these furs so that we don't lose them and in fact the older Genesis furs are so hard to find you would actually expect the prices to be higher, so I agree its about changing the mindset of the community.
Maybe a secondary way to count traits alongside our established way is needed. But I'll let Tad work out how to do that

[Tad Carlucci]

The easiest method is to have the Pedigree View changed to automatically 'count'.
The back-end support for this is a page defining what is, and what is not, counted.

I have a proof-of-concept for this implemented solely in Javascript (actually, EMCAscript) which I inject using a browser extension. This uses the information currently shown on the page, and a list of trait values which do NOT get counted, then adds a line to the information block for each cat/box, showing the trait count. I have left it as solely a proof-of-concept work because the web pages are too much of a moving target for me to put out a product you can use which would not require frequent updates. KittyCatS, on the other hand, could easily add it to the existing page, without the need for any back-end support other than ensuring the 'not counted' list is maintained.

[Dakota Bruhl]

Even new genesis should be counted as traits, they are awesome!!

[CatSoleil Bellecoeur]

(03-09-2016 11:17 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote:  The easiest method is to have the Pedigree View changed to automatically 'count'.
The back-end support for this is a page defining what is, and what is not, counted.

I have a proof-of-concept for this implemented solely in Javascript (actually, EMCAscript) which I inject using a browser extension. This uses the information currently shown on the page, and a list of trait values which do NOT get counted, then adds a line to the information block for each cat/box, showing the trait count. I have left it as solely a proof-of-concept work because the web pages are too much of a moving target for me to put out a product you can use which would not require frequent updates. KittyCatS, on the other hand, could easily add it to the existing page, without the need for any back-end support other than ensuring the 'not counted' list is maintained.

Tad, I am always in awe of your technical know-how (i.e. genius)!

[Luna1987 Resident]

I agree too, I would love them to be counted