Question for kittycats developers

[Shamu077 Resident]

(07-26-2015 02:26 PM)Emilia Darkwatch Wrote:  I also feel the cost of 5000 L per confetti is very reasonable and was pleasantly surprised to see that. The only thing I feel really could be looked at and increased is the value of a cat when sent to menagerie - 50 is really very low when one considers not all cats being sent there are just relatively worthless genesis cats.

The cost of a Confetti cat is 2000 $L or 5000 $K, and KC gives us only 20 $L for any cat we menagerie. Of course 20 $L is no incentive at all, when I can price the same cat in a shop for $50 to $300 $L. And since all my cats are raised on kibble and milk, every box, even if it is just 1 Trait, with the 1 trait being Mysterious whiskers, still costs me at least $120 Lindens! Tad did the math. I am sending up to 7T cats to the menagerie now - cats that I used to sell for $350 in the secondary market. So I would say the purpose of the new Giraffe and Confetti cats is working.

I would really liike a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow too. A brand new one of course. I really wish those greedy Britiish manufacturers would cut the price to $2000 dollars, so I could afford one.


Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
Janis Joplin

[Winter Phoenix]

(07-26-2015 08:33 AM)CarlottaAdagio Resident Wrote:  The ever so nice mass breeders will menagerie their tons of “kitty material” and then buy Menagerie Cats and then sell them to you. Isn’t this nice of them? The prices are ridiculously high but don’t you say a word! You are to honor “their time and expense and frustration” like Shamu077 points out. As if a small breeder does not have to spend money and time and so very often is frustrated with the 20th Salt & Pepper Mask Foxie or Bellini eyes ...

The 'nice mass breeders' may not be supplying you with menagerie cats
just to be 'nice' to you,
but they are still providing a service in helping those
who may not want to put up with the time and aggravation required to produce a menagerie cat,
get themselves a menagerie cat.

I think I'd prefer this lazy man method as opposed to generating
flop kitteh after flop kitteh and constantly going
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD 5000 TIMES.

You think its tough getting a La giraffe, try getting enough jewels for
one of them fancy JEWEL CATS,
Or perhaps those should be sold off the shelf as well?
( now THAT would be COOL!)

THE MENAGERIE IS THERE TO FREE UP RESOURCES.
The menagerie cat is an incentive to do so.
KittyCatS is not catering to the uber farms per se
its just that its the uber farms that pump out lots of cats,
and as a side effect, menagerie a lot of stuff.

You can do the same thing, stick 200 breeding pairs in your cattery.

Whining isn't going to help you because
for KittyCatS.biz to sell them off the shelf defeats the whole purpose.

At that point its just another off the shelf collector cat
who only becomes valuable in its rainbow mega format.

I'd like some confetti's and a La Girafe too, but I don't see any in my near future,
but sooner or later I will EARN one, like I did with my teacup tiger.

It felt like an accomplishment as opposed to a handout.

[Devilness Chant]

I think it's great to have the freedom to ask any question we want. But to expect an answer..... KC did what a lot of us have been begging for, and threw in a cool twist.

I don't have a giraffe. 15 kitties in my cattery (I keep getting boys! sigh lol) So it will take me a long time to get one. But I will live. (even though that may disappoint a few)

I did manage enough boxes for the confetti kitties. Between what boxes I had and the kindness of someone selling me boxes for 20L each. I wanted them because I do enjoy breeding, and I think it was a wonderful idea, not just for KC but for those of us that do breed, to have something different. (I also have been collecting some of my fave collection kitties) I breed and collect.

If the confetti kitties were transferable, ppl would be selling them for high prices anyway. I actually think it's good that they're not. It's not a matter of KC not including everyone. I think it's more a matter of flooding the market with them. KC listened to our cries to help boost the secondary market and to give ppl an incentive to get rid of all those unwanted boxes sitting on shelves and undercutting each other to try and sell them. We also asked for managery kitties that didn't take 300 boxes to get so that newer and smaller breeders could have access to them. They did these things and even threw in a twist that might turn out to be fun and new. You can get a confetti for only 100 boxes if you want to just collect one.

After I came back I wanted a toy tiger. It took me a couple months of wondering shops looking for boxes under 40L but I finally got my toy tiger. I'm sure after the craze dies down so will the prices. That's how economy works. Supply and demand.

Does KC make money off this? Yes. They are in business to make money and if they didn't our kitties wouldn't work anymore, because they wouldn't be able to pay for the servers and the service they provide. We do need to buy food and milk for our new babies. Not to mention anyone wanting to permapet them.

Will the secondary market boost during the slow summer months? Yes. Lots of unwanted boxes that collected dust on shelves and undercut other ppls prices are gone. (and there are still plenty of inexpensive boxes out there which makes me happy lol) And there are new things for ppl to sell. And hopefully there will be a lot more knew kitties to sell. Also ppl have been able to sell those unwanted boxes to ppl who are looking for managery kitties.

KC simply listened to what we asked of them and then some. It wasn't a matter of excluding anyone. They sell us pretty collection kitties, and even give everyone nice kitties for free. Holidays, bdays, even cool firestorm kitties. (I love my firestorms! specially since I don't have to feed them lol) Would be nice if they updated though. *hint hint lol

I can't speak for KC, but I am sorry that ppl feel left out. I'm sure that wasn't their intention. They are accessible, you just have to deal with the secondary market to get them, which is the boost everyone asked for. (for the record, I make no profit off any of this, I only have a few kitties out for sale) I only speak as an observer.

[Minx Diabolito]

I'm glad for new menagerie cats because it means a boost to the market and I recently got to sell some boxes that have just been gathering up dust on my shelves that people will use for getting new menagerie kittens ^.^

I'm not a big breeder and I think the way the system is for getting menagerie cats is very fair. I really don't under the sense of entitlement some people are showing in this thread and why they do not understand they must live within their means. It is not right to get angry with those who have more than you because they have more cats which made more boxes and have more cats available for the menagerie due to this. It seems like just jealousy to notice bigger breeders or refer to them a bit resentfully because they have what you want. That is not fair. These big breeders are not responsible if someone else has not much to spend in SL or has money but will choose not to spend so much in SL and does not want to keep so many cats (so could not expect so many boxes and easy access to menagerie cats from this). It's not a solution to be jealous with someone who has more that they have achieved with honesty and investment for what they have. It is also not solution to expect stuffs for cheap or just to be easy to attain. What's the point in that? It totally devalues it and misses the whole point of what is trying to be done and that the cats are meant to be special not instant to get.

When it is seen that breeders, big or small, are charging a decent price for the menagerie cats or their offsprings to sell on a secondary market they are not being greedy. It is a reflection of how many cats they had to menagerie, how much this is worth and this is how the cat is assigned its value. It's not from greed. If some can't afford a menagerie cat right now, they just can't and no one is to blame for it. It's a normal part of life to wait for some things you want and you cannot buy them so easy. I'll be waiting quite a while for any menagerie kitten like the confetti and will slowly collect boxes to get it. I could go out and buy a whole load of boxes today but I don't want to. I could start breeding more of my own cats again to get more boxes of my own but I don't want to do this either and for those who think these boxes are like coming for free to people, do think again about that. Breeders make no profit selling a kitten box for under 100 L yet many do it, which is the opposite to greedy.

I'm nothing but happy for people who have the boxes ready to go to menagerie and can a new special cat now because they do deserve it ^.^

P.S. I would also like to see the current value of boxes when sent to menagerie increased a bit as 50K$/20 L is really not anything much and is very out of whack with the secondary market because no one can possibly afford to sell boxes there for 20 L. It's very much why I'm reluctant to menagerie and prefer to sell my lower traited kitties, to make back at least some money from food I got. 20 L is nothing at all on what I have paid to make a cat. But I would want to menagerie more if there was a bit more menagerie value for a cat. Thank you.

[Nocshadue Balbozar]

The Menagerie Cats are really a form of Reward or Loyalty program as well. It's like green stamps... lord now I have really dated myself. Anyway, the more you shop and spend at a certain store, the more stamps you earn and the faster you can get the nifty casserole dish.

I hear so often how it's "always about the big breeders, or the hardcore breeders" and I really don't believe that is the case for the most part. The Menagerie Cats I think were created to encourage people to menagerie rather than fire sale unwanted boxes but also as a bit of of a thank you to long term customers.

My thoughts as to why the Confetti Cats are not transferable is that they are able to pass a new fur which the community has been begging for since the program was first introduced. Had these been transferable, the market would be so flooded in such a short period of time, it would have negated any fun or challenge in discovering their fur.

So I am sorry you feel this is unfair. There are ways around it and one way or another you'd end up spending L$ either breeding or buying boxes to send off.

[Tad Carlucci]

s'ok I grew up a block from Top Value headquarters and still call 'em Top Value stamps ... and tv went away long before s&h

[Xoei Resident]

I agree with Nocshadue. Menagerie cats are a sort of loyalty program reward. Its meant for breeders who have set aside money and time in this virtual pet hobby. Its natural to assume that only the big breeders have the means to get these cats. However, small breeders like myself, who breed kitties for fun and personal goals, also benefit. How many dud boxes I've amassed over the years, I did not know what to do with them after giving up trying to sell them on the secondary market. So when I bred and attained my final dream cat, I was ready to quit KC. Then the Confetti cats came along, I thought, why not trade my excesses and give it one final go.

I think the Confetti cats were aimed at the smaller breeders, the ones who were keen on breeding cats and have done so over the years. The big breeders would probably still go for the Tigers and the new Giraffe, why? Because those are transferable and can be sold quickly. It makes more commercial sense to get those since they have the means to do so. The Confetti cats are non transferable and their breeding dynamics are much more complex. Even if one manages to get a confetti fur offspring, one has to back breed in order to bring out the recessive of the parent. So what if someone perma-pets a Confetti and tries to sell it? Would I buy it? No. Because its just a genesis looking cat with a special fur. I would rather spend my money on a limited edition cat that is pleasant to look at. In short, I am trying to relate that the commercial value of the Confetti cat isn't all that it seems, so Dominick, your feeling of unfairness is quite misplaced.

[Jelly Supply]

I am sorry.... But good grief!! I have been involved with kittycats for YEARS!!! The developers have had special cats only available with certain rewards all along. Example: The cats you can only get with jewels, all the menagerie tigers & now the so very cute Giraffe kitty.

I find it great fun to have a new goal. Sure when I first joined It took me a VERY long time to save up to get these special cats. But when I got one I was sooo happy.

Just relax & enjoy the cats you have. Enjoy learning how to get the traits on a cat that makes it your own " work of art" . I am sorry but it seems to me lately there is too much negativity & frankly "whining" !

I don't usually say much... But this is just plain silly!
Please enjoy the cats you have & I hope you can save up and get a confetti cat soon. They will be around for a long time.

Kittycats is one of the best group, people in second life.

That is all... Whew there now I feel better! LOL

[DominickValerian Resident]

I talked with Callie Cline and she made many good points about the Menagerie cats. I agreed with many of her points and had a excellent conversation. But...not all things can end well. Recently I had an error with one of my cats. I am not a creator or builder so i had to get help going into the cats edit commands to get the ID number. Kitty Curious and Charles Edward Erskine where great help. I did receive a colorful IM from someone who I wont name. Here is an edited copy of the conversation.


[06:56] XXXXXX (XXXXXXXX): you really are n idiot and I notice as well you abandonned your forum post now people told you what an idiot you are there too
[06:56] XXXXXX (XXXXXXX): stop whinging and grow up
[06:56] Dominick Valerian (dominickvalerian): um I guess the proper response would be "XXXXX"
[06:56] XXXXXX (XXXXXXXX): for a classless guy sure
[06:57] XXXXX (XXXXXXXX): it would
[06:57] Dominick Valerian (dominickvalerian): by the way
[06:57] XXXXXX (XXXXXXXX): and as I said, you don;t dare to putany more comments on yoru post as you made such a XXXX of yourself lol

I am someone who looks at the glass as neither half empty or half full. I see something I do not agree with and I speak up. If I am proven wrong I admit it, and I learn. Learning is the key to the cats on SL. I didn't abandon my forum post, I am going to be a new Grandfather and had more important issues in my life. Ms Cline pointed out many of the reasons why the cats in question where sold as menagerie cats. And I agreed. Thank you again for your responses.

[Emilia Darkwatch]

I am not sure why it is at all relevant or proper to paste part of a private conversation here, without any context I may add. It was quite possible to state that you had a good outcome without this drama being included. If you are as you state... with "more important issues in your life"... why post this as it negates what you are stating? I would urge the person to whom this pertains to not feed this troll but I am posting because I really want to be clear it is not cool at all to do this to people and I find it a form of cowardly bullying