Summer...

[Devilness Chant]

RFL kitties are coming out in July. I do hope they hide some new traits this year.

Summer does get slow for most of us. Ppl have rl to do too. This is a time for camping, vaca, time with family members that don't live close, just all kinds of rl things going on for many.

Most ppl that leave kc have either been breeding for a few years and get a bit bored with sl and breeding. Others just frustrated.

Since I came back, most of my friends are leaving, taking breaks, or just slowing down with sl and breeding. We've all been at it for years and it does get a bit monotonous and old over time. It's not just the summer slow down.

As some have said, the slow down does give new ppl a chance to learn. It gives others a chance to breed out all the fall and winter starters. A chance to work on our breeding plans to make our dream kitties.

Maybe a big roll out every couple months isn't so great for some of us. I find the Halloween, Christmas, Valentine, and Easter roll outs to be a bit over whelming. And the collections just seem to get bigger and bigger.

Maybe RFLs that hide new traits, and a new and more reasonably numbered of boxes for a different managery kitty, that may only be available for a month? Just a few breeding perks for the summer would be nice. And I think the KC staff should get to enjoy a little time to catch their breaths too.

[MsMagick Resident]

*nods* I can "get" that... both being overwhelmed by LE starters and it getting monotonous. I've felt some of both already.

This is my first year on SL, not just breeding, so all the cycles are new to me. One of the big reasons that I'm here - and have the time to be so involved - is that I can't get out and physically do the things that I used to do due to health issues. So I'm really enjoying SL as a place where I can still do those things that I miss, but can't do. Unfortunately for me, once it gets this hot (highs near 100 F started early this year), summer is more about trying to stay inside and hoping that the air conditioning doesn't run the energy bills too high.

[fabioazevedo Oh]

(06-29-2015 12:43 AM)MsMagick Resident Wrote:  I noticed my sales got better this weekend, so I'm thinking all the SL12B Free Kitty and Hunt attention might be helping with the summer slowdown.

Anyone else?

Any historical precedent as to whether any perceivable bump will last more than a few days?

SLbirthDay kittens, and RFL, make people remember that KC is still there. This is always good to return the focu people.


well, speaking only in sales since the late summer of 2014 I have a theory about why the summer of 2014 was so bad, but that summer 2015 is being better.


Someone must have done a study on this, but it is easy to note that the fur is the main trait of kittens. In many respects, the fur is often the only thing that people come mainly for beginers that is almost 100%. Only those who go to a higher level can look which means other traits.

So the continuity of new releases fur is the most important item to keep active secondary market.

If you are looking for new traits list Kittens Easter 2014 you will see that no new fur was launched.

We all know the hole that exists Easter until Halloween, and without new fur on Easter, is like killing all of the secondary market trade.

Christmas 2013 was released 'siamese tortie', new more recessive, and then valentines 2014, another new more recessive, abyssinian dark chocolate.

When it was Easter, the Siamese tortie was with really low price, and then the entire market was moving to abyssinian dark.

Coming the month of August / September, almost all had abyssynian dark, and nothing to sell.

February / 2014 two dominant fur were found, Pandie Fawn and Ocicat Black. It was almost impossible, only two dominant fur survive february month until the month of October.

'Dominant Fur' has the tendency of the price going down much faster than the new furs more recessive.


So when it came the month of October, the secondary market was dying. Latest sighs. The KC solution for Halloween 2014 was very good, 10 new eyes, and many new fur. Yes. KC needed to save the secondary market. It was really a new breath to the market.

Advantage of this description in 2014, you can understand why I see that the year 2015 will be better.


All we were very afraid. No one knew if the KC would repeat the Easter 2014 again in 2015.

Fortunately, for the happiness of the secondary market, we see new fur 'natural mink Tonkinese', and now 'Blue mink Tonkinese', more recessive in Easter 2015. Of course, remembering Australian Fawn, and Foxie Cocoa.

This is simple, KC gave fur to work throughout this period of Easter, and Halloween.

If, not new summer collection, at least, I hope KC give us more new furs in Easter 2016.



Certainly, this is not the only theory to explain. But it is what makes me believe and continue to work.

This is my vision of the market today.


I hope I can have contributed something.

[Devilness Chant]

Thank you Fabio for your last post. (didn't want to repeat it all in this one lol) You really cleared some things up for me.

When I came back after over a year, I was shocked to see all the same furs for sale. The Salt and peppers, the Cream lynxs, And the only a few new furs I saw were the Tonks, Chocolates, and Marbles.

As the cycle goes, the S/P and Creams should have had their run and been gone by the time I came back. I love some of the dom furs that came out, but I know from experience they will be hard to keep unless they're old boxes, or someone bred them pure.

Here is the reason I'm a purist, and to be honest, one of the reasons I left breeding was because most of the new traits at the time were dom. I remember when Rainbow eyes were new and all the rage. They were a really hard eye to pull and keep. But eventually they took over our catteries because they were rec. (most of us ended up sick of them lol) (some may remember grape ice eyes? lol) (I still cringe when i see either of those lol)

Moving traits around to make one kitty takes a lot of inbreeding and time as we all know. The problem is, those rec traits are also pulled with inbreeding so the end results can often be not exactly what we wanted.

KC changed the way we bred starters by coming out with more dom traits. The masses were upset because it seemed like only a few were getting the new rec traits. It takes time and a lot of patience to get those rec traits from a starter. At the time there were a lot of new breeders who didn't know how to breed out those rec traits. I believe KC saw this problem and adjusted to keep the masses happy. They do what they need to do to keep the money flowing. They're a business and that's what businesses do. But they also listen to us and give more than other businesses do. Can you imagine how hard it would be to make and keep thousands of ppl happy?

Ppl may think they don't care about our secondary markets, but I'm sure they do. It effects how many boxes get opened and how much food, milk, and vits get bought. If a shop owner is doing well, chances are they're breeding more. But our market is something they can't control out right. And I am sure they listen to us and consider our pleas and plights. I believe an educated post like yours Fab was read and taken into consideration.

These are just my observations and I have no facts to back them up. Just what I have seen over time and assume.

[JC Aferdita]

Just chiming in, just because no new furs were found doesn't mean no new furs were released. Sometimes it takes years for traits to finally emerge. If I remember correctly it was either Callie or Equi, or maybe both, at one point when people where whining about there not being enough new traits, saying that we hadn't even discovered all of them yet. It's only a chance you get a cat with the new traits hidden underneath, not all of us get those. And then it needs to be one of the people that breed like crazy trying to find those new traits too. Sometimes the new furs end up with people who just collect the things And then there's the people that are still sitting on LE-boxes from years back that might have a trait that no one discovered yet.

[Tad Carlucci]

As I recall, that comment was made only a few weeks after the release and I remember agreeing, in my head, that it was too soon to write of the release as not having more new traits.

While, yes, it is *possible* that a new trait takes 'years' to discover .. that is, the odds are non-zero .. the chances are so low that 'none' is a very good approximation.

[JC Aferdita]

Then they might've commented it twice, because I remember the comment as in the middle of the summer, or toward the end of summer

[fabioazevedo Oh]

In two years I'm in KC, the only time I saw this, was 'SnowShoe Cream' found in a Fancie Kitten before Halloween 2013. Then came Halloween and other people find the same trait.


Another story I remember was' Dry Olive eyes. But the person hid the new trait for months before they say anything. the trait came from a started Easter 2014. Then came Halloween and most other kittens 'Dry Olive' hidden were found.




[COMMON TRAITS]
Any trait that is inserted in the trait list at some point, is going to come out, even in one or two collections forward.

The system chooses the 'hidden traits' in kittens started, is random, and the amount of kittens started sold in each collection, is almost impossible, a trait not be chosen. And the new traits, are set to be chosen more often.

I used to write down all the results of my tests, since Easter 2014. And this is a constant. Even if some trait passed, someone else found.

I opened 54 boxes on Halloween 2014. 8 boxes had new fur. The other 46 boxes had fur old. Virtually all colors of fur in several dominant list. With each new collection, this happens to everyone. Many boxes, to find something new, the rest are old traits. (I'd like to retire some fur, chasing me, laughs)


I consulted some of my notes on what I found in testing.

See: (new fur)
-Halloween 2014: 1) Australian Chocolate 2) Australian Blue marble
-Christmas 2014: 1) Lilac marble
-Valentines 2015: 1) Chocolate, 2) Fawn, and 3) Blue marble
-Easter 2015: 1) Lilac, 2) Fawn

See: (old fur)
-Christmas 2013: Bengal Black
-Easter 2014: Sorel Bengal, Bengal Silver, Bengal Sorel, Bengal Cooper, Silver Bengal, Bengal Sorel
-Halloween 2014: Tawn Bengal, Bengal Charcoal, Cooper Bengal, Bengal Sorel, Cooper Bengal, Bengal Sorel, Tawn Bengal, Bengal Tawn
-Christmas 2014: Tawn Bengal, Bengal Charcoal
-Valentines 2015: Bengal Cooper, Cooper Bengal, Bengal Sorel, Tawn Bengal, Bengal Charcoal, Charcoal Bengal, Bengal Charcoal

This makes me believe that there is nothing new that has never been discovered, since Easter 2013 forward. or something like 0.01% chance.




[SPECIAL TRAITS]
There are cases that some traits are specific collections, and, after that, are retired. Never again will come started kittens.

Some examples: Crystal Dream in Easter 2013. Royal Sapphire in August 2013.

Look at this link and you will see the entire list of "Special Eyes"
> http://kittycats.biz/eyes_tails_ears-cats.htm

See explanation:
"These eyes can only be breed by collection and fancie KittyCatS and are not in starter packs."


Thus, only the kittens from a given collection can load these new traits.





[THEORY TRAITS NEVER FOUND]
I have listed some interesting points to build a logical scenario for a possible, lose a new trait.

-in some point in 2011/2012, which was new KC
-A few breeders
-everything what people could buy was genesis kittens on the main island of KC
-much more difficult to discover the traits
-much more work to prove the dominance of each kitten
-No super recessive kitten to do the job
-Some Special Trait of a collection

Taking into consideration all these points mentioned above, I can say, YES, there is a loophole for some trait has never been discovered.

And to find this trait, is need to open old boxes.




[THE SECOND THEORY OF TRAITS NEVER FOUND]
Of course, there is always the chance of Callie or Equinox, hitting the finger on an incorrect button, and enable some new traits during the summer. laughs
Hugs Callie and Equinox






smile

Always fun to talk about it.

[Devilness Chant]

I think it was 2013 when the Bengal Tawny came out? Not sure of the year, but I believe it was around the year of the love letters? Could have been 2012? Either way this was around the time I got really discouraged with breeding. And new traits stopped being all rec.

Contrary to the finders list, Rocky and I were not the first ones to find the Bengal Tawny. I was just the first one to ask about it in chat and he said something after. There was a woman that said she had a cattery full of them and had no idea they were new. Anyway.

When the Love Letter collection came out. People bought hundreds of them. I don't know if they just wanted to sell them for collectible kitties or if they were just trying to get sizes, or if they were trying to get the rare ones that could be hiding Twinkle. I remember shops filled with them. Like one shop I saw had to have over 50 boxes of them. They were around for a loooooooong time. So aaaaaaaaaaaall those boxes weren't being bred, which I think effects the odds of finding anything new. Plus there were aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall these new ppl that had no clue about how to breed out rec traits.

So of course the masses were complaining over not finding new traits, and rumors flew about favoritism and so forth, because only a few had gotten new traits in the past. I know because I was one of the few. And I've never been a fave, I had just been breeding a long time and new how. (and luck played a part in that too)(also I only bred starters for new furs) If the starters gave me old furs I tossed them and opened new ones and started over. I think that also improved my odds of finding them because I bred ALL my starters for the fur. So all the starters I bought got opened. You can tell I still sting from that time. lol But I have wondered off subject.

Back to the Tawny. In a couple days time, everyone started getting Bengal Tawnies. You could put two chickens together and get a Bengal Tawny. lol I was also told that the Tawny had been around for a long time, but no one had found it yet. That was around the time that new traits became dom and it became harder to figure out where they placed in the charts.

So yes, all those collections that sit on shelves or in catteries, could have hidden new traits. Also, unless it's a one time trait for a collection like the twinkle shade or whatever. It gets rolled over to other starters some time after the collections are gone. I had asked that about traits in the store gen starters. I don't know if that's changed since the time I asked, but that was what I was told by a KC person in chat.

Also, I have talked to ppl that have been breeding for over a year and still have no clue how to breed out rec traits. The ppl I have talked to use more rec traits to pull and not back breeding. So in those cases they may think they have a stubborn starter or that it doesn't hide anything special. I believe that to be another reason why a lot of traits have yet to be discovered.

[fabioazevedo Oh]

[SPECIAL TRAITS]

Look at this link and you will see the entire list of "Special Eyes"
> http://kittycats.biz/eyes_tails_ears-cats.htm

See explanation:
"These eyes can only be breed by collection and fancie KittyCatS and are not in starter packs."



Another thing you may notice is that the list of these 'special traits' has been updated, and was included the 2014 halloween eyes.


OMG


1) we have an updated list of 'special eyes'
2) practically impossible, there is some 'common trait' undiscovered, which can be found in any started packages


OMG


The theory of 'trait not found' passed for just a 'MYTH'.


laughs. funny