Easter Cats

[Tad Carlucci]

Put it this way:

A more recessive trait can push out (expose in the offspring) a hidden more dominant one.

A more dominant trait can pick up, but hides, a more recessive one. Back-breeding or crossing similar (often siblings unless you have more than one line going) are what you need for the second generation, which CAN expose the hidden.

Often, the choice is making the best of a bad situation. If you don't have a more recessive to pull out a hidden trait, you'll have no choice but to use a more dominant trait. It's possible, but it takes at least a second generation, and the odds of success are lower as a result. If dominant could not do it, it would be neigh on impossible to expose out a newly-released, now-most-recessive trait.

[Emeralld Resident]

You are definitely not alone. I did not get to read this whole thread because it was so long. I sincerely hope that KittyCatS creators read this and pay some attention because the excessive amount of specials with new traits etc is overwhelming. I did not even buy any of the love letters for valentines because I wondered why we were offered two LARGE sets of kitties. Why not just have the love letters?

I'm not going to say more other than I agree and I hope for our markets someone listens. And why have Easter kitties anyway. Really? Why not just Halloween and Christmas? 1 or 2 times a year is plenty.

[Melanie774 Kidd]

I also agree that we need to recover a bit more from the last several massive releases. Every now and then, while having a conversation with some random fellow breeder I've met at a bid board or auction, I'll hear things like "I finally cleared up my cattery enough to have room to start unpacking some of my Winter kitties", etc.

IMHO, the best course of action for KittyCats at this particular moment in time is to have a small release for Easter (small both in terms of variety of limited edition cat, as well as brand new traits). This should be enough to sate the hunger for newness that pretty much all of us have, without contributing more to the sense of being overwhelmed (and even discouraged) that I'm getting out of some of the posts in this thread.


And, going back to some of the comments I saw earlier in this thread? The way I see it, the market is balanced out by both larger and smaller breeders.

It's mainly the larger breeders who are either discovering the very newest traits by sheer virtue of the numbers they're playing, or using the resources at their disposal to purchase the newest traits and then breed them out.

The smaller breeders, being that they're not carrying as much kitties in their catteries, are not as likely to discover the very newest stuff (although there is always a chance!). They're more likely to focus on their favorite furs/traits and will splurge on introducing a new trait into their cattery when they can afford it, both L$-wise and prim-wise.

While it's understandable that some of the larger breeders may want an all-out gigantic Easter release, it should be kept in mind that many of their sales are made to their smaller counterparts. If the market loses too many of the smaller breeders due to their feeling discouraged or what have you, this will cut into the sales of the larger breeders as well.

[Tad Carlucci]

While I agree that larger breeders have more resources available, I disagree it's simply about cash-on-hand to purchase traits.

While that is certainly possible, it's more likely that larger breeders simply have more, and better, stock available to research a new trait. In addition, when it's a race to discover and exploit a new trait, larger breeders have more practice at managing several lines of development at once.

In fact, one could argue that a smaller breeder/collector has an advantage on the costs because they are spending less, daily, on KittyCatS and, so, could have more mad-money held back for large purchases.

My point: the size of one's stock does not indicate any profit on sales of KittyCatS, or sufficient profit to purchase new traits or large numbers of collectible starters; it could actually indicate money is going into current lines leaving less for such purchases.

From the company's point of view, though, those larger breeders are their bread and butter; and many of those large breeders are already fully committed. Putting out a large collection could well backfire and cause those larger breeders to reconsider their current level of commitment. Remember, no matter what else is sold, food sales are the core income and anything causing large numbers of the larger breeders to reduce food purchases will hit a lot harder than whatever paltry (by comparison) income they might see from sales of the collection itself. That is, unless the goal is actually to entice larger breeders to pull back, and replace them with .. what? a 10-to-1, a 20-to-1 ratio .. of new, smaller breeders.

This is not saying the company should cater to larger breeders. Rather, they should carefully consider all aspects of their decisions and strive to balance the various needs. And, often, the goal is the 'least unpalatable' rather than 'best'

[Liriel Garnet]

(03-20-2012 08:04 AM)Melanie774 Kidd Wrote:  I also agree that we need to recover a bit more from the last several massive releases. Every now and then, while having a conversation with some random fellow breeder I've met at a bid board or auction, I'll hear things like "I finally cleared up my cattery enough to have room to start unpacking some of my Winter kitties", etc.

IMHO, the best course of action for KittyCats at this particular moment in time is to have a small release for Easter (small both in terms of variety of limited edition cat, as well as brand new traits). This should be enough to sate the hunger for newness that pretty much all of us have, without contributing more to the sense of being overwhelmed (and even discouraged) that I'm getting out of some of the posts in this thread.


And, going back to some of the comments I saw earlier in this thread? The way I see it, the market is balanced out by both larger and smaller breeders.

It's mainly the larger breeders who are either discovering the very newest traits by sheer virtue of the numbers they're playing, or using the resources at their disposal to purchase the newest traits and then breed them out.

The smaller breeders, being that they're not carrying as much kitties in their catteries, are not as likely to discover the very newest stuff (although there is always a chance!). They're more likely to focus on their favorite furs/traits and will splurge on introducing a new trait into their cattery when they can afford it, both L$-wise and prim-wise.

While it's understandable that some of the larger breeders may want an all-out gigantic Easter release, it should be kept in mind that many of their sales are made to their smaller counterparts. If the market loses too many of the smaller breeders due to their feeling discouraged or what have you, this will cut into the sales of the larger breeders as well.

Melanie, thank you!
You're hearing the same thing I'm hearing, over and over again. You've said exactly what I meant in a way that hopefully will calm people down.

I wasn't ever objecting to new releases, just to reduce the number of unique cats released for specials. One or two new traits would be ok as well, but seriously, unless I'm mistaken, there are still UNDISCOVERED traits from Christmas (feb trivia there were five undiscovered according to equi, and afaik, only three new ones (the blond whiskers and two more balinese furs) have cropped up since then, so there's at least two more out there.

They also sprung a new dominance order for the genesis II furs on us, so that's making breeding out our valentine's starters even more confusing.

Change is good. Without change, things stagnate and die. But too much too quickly just overwhelms most of us who try to plan so that we *can* produce quality kitties with new traits while still maintaining a reasonable number of cats.

[Tad Carlucci]

To summarize Melanie and other comments, using an Old Adage:

Look to the experience of other breedables and remember: those who do no learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

[Justice Bulloch]

The thread as gone all over the place, I would like to respectfully request that we prune it so it falls in line with a Discussion with the OP, the affect that LARGER collections releases and massive amounts of NEW traits have on the already strained and saturated community, Not if people can breed or not, not if peoples auctions or sims are successful. that stuff all just takes away from the meaning of the post and really turns people off from reading the entire thread.. so please join me in cutting out the stuff thats not part of the OP intent.

Thank you...

[Deer Thistle]

I don't believe that there needs to be any post censorship. Despite the bouts of what I think was a misunderstanding between two KittyCats breeders and the earlier (and now omitted post) deeming a disagreement a 'flame war,' this thread is full of so many interesting perspectives (even if abrasive due to disagreements or simply word usage, but honestly really tame and a non-issue in comparison to forum disagreements in other communities). I think it's helpful to allow every breeder to have access to the information here in full, whether here to originally read about Easter kitties or to further try to comprehend breeding mechanics in relation with the market itself. This thread is rich in information and shouldn't be censored or "pruned" at all, every issue brought up here in some way ties into the original post and again is really interesting to read, especially with everyone's differing points of views.

[Ethereal Hurricane]

I agree with everyone here, I'm not saying they shouldn't release a smaller number, however, you can't blame them releasing large numbers in a collection as a direct result of why people don't have money right now. It is not KittyCatS fault that everyone wants to have all these cats. (Key word, want, you don't need every cat, you want them.).

The point I was making, and I guess failed to make, is that not everyone should have instant access to everything, or it defeats the purpose of selling things. Why should I spend money on 2 new Easter cats when everyone else can do it too. You know why cats like xoxoxoxo sell for so much? No one has them. You know why cats like Burmese Champagne don't sell for large amounts of lindens? Because everyone can get them. I could go to any sim and find a box with one for probably 50 lindens. I'm not insulting the fur, its just not "worth" as much to most people, and that is a fact.

I could talk about this for days, but its just not healthy for this thread. I agree they should tone down releases, I'm with everyone here, I don't want to pay even more money again, but at the same time, I separate myself from the equation and understand that not everyone is meant to have access to everything at the same time. Supply/demand, that's how things work. If there is to much supply, there is no demand. If everyone has something, that something is worth nothing.

Trying to get all the new traits as they are released is impossible, and you shouldn't even try unless you plan to spend large amounts of money, or are just very lucky. If you want to try, you have no grounds to complain that you are spending as much as you are. If your goal is to have everything, you better be prepared to fork over the money to get everything. You aren't meant to have everything handed to you.

I personally love the variety of cats. I loved looking at all the pretty colors, but you know what I still don't own the one cat I actually thought was pretty from the Valentines line of cats.

[Ethereal Hurricane]

It not about you, its about the community. Everything I've said is an observation, not my own personal feelings, but of the community, how are you bringing your own person feelings into this as an argument against what I'm saying?

This thread, as I was to understand, was about the community, and not individual breeders personal issues and problems. Not everyone has the problems as described by the OP. Not everyone cares about every single fur either. That's why they don't sell, stop arguing that these furs are so amazing, no one is saying other wise, I'm simply saying they aren't big sellers, not saying that is good or bad.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread was designed to be a debate from the very first post. I'm sorry I don't agree with the OP, or as it would seem, the majority of the people on this thread, but there are others who agree with me, and just because we aren't the majority (of people posting on this thread...), doesn't mean we are wrong.

Separate yourself from your own personal desires and wants, and see what is best for the community.