Suggestion: Being able to get menagerie cats retrieved

[Liriel Garnet]

(08-07-2012 07:56 PM)Kayleigh McMillan Wrote:  Sounds like a real good idea Tad 24 hours can be a little short but as you said you picked a random time frame.
Because I can imagine we don't miss our cats instantly as we assume they are in the cattery to look at them a week later what the cat is they have birthed:-)
But this sounds like a very solid solution!
I can imagine an IM/ Mail or preferable both can be received from cats which are not fully processed to menagerie just so people get a heads up for example with a link to the finalization page.
And this might make it less needed to set the time frame too tight.
Hmm,.. A Menagerie and a Finalize button in the cat which leads to such page might be something, just brainstorming on this

While I agree that it would be nice to be able to back up a 'mistake', It seriously makes me wonder if people even read prompts before clicking them ... the first prompt says right on it, "Once sent, your KittyCat cannot return!!". As if that's not enough, once you click 'send in' ... you get another prompt that once more reminds you it's a permanent action and asks if you're really sure.

I get it can still happen by accident, and i truly despise where the menagerie button is right now, because I've clicked it myself several times now. But this should be a very rare occurrence that it's done all the way thru the verification by mistake. I can see the potential for retrieving one, but since it *should* be rare that it's done by mistake, it's my opinion that forcing a double-verification both in-world and on the website is a bit much.

[Kayleigh McMillan]

(08-08-2012 08:20 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  ... I can see the potential for retrieving one, but since it *should* be rare that it's done by mistake, it's my opinion that forcing a double-verification both in-world and on the website is a bit much.

As said it was brainstorming.
And according to what I have read before people do menagerie kitties by accident.
Lucky enough this didn't happen to me yet, a few times it happened almost though, but I think if I used the online cattery it might happen I prefer to breed in world though so I can leave those buttons alone unless I intend to use menagerie
And yes as for the menu and mistakes we can make I think this is only normal we work with that menu frequently and we can dream the location of the buttons so I'm not surprised accidents happen to be honest auto-pilot just kicks in when something is used often.
I don't even read dialogues anymore all I do is automatically which is normal by a decent designed intuitive navigation I think.
Same goes for the computer interface I don't read every dialoge I "OK" & "YES" stuff blindly every day LOL
More interesting even is the fact while I'm a complete reckless computer dialoge user I do good so far ...
Sometimes I delete my desktop trashcan because somehow they located the remove trashcan too close to the empty trashcan option *smack* but luckely this is fixable:-)
I have also this seldom seen habbit to not even read a 100 pages long TOS, while I know most take a day off and do this and investigate all the aspects and eventually call their lawyer should any sentence not be clear, while I just check "I agree" and move on

[Tad Carlucci]

If it helps, don't think of it as "accidental" .. think of it as a change of heart.

Yes, I'm sure some do accidentally Menagerie .. never underestimate the ability of users to not read .. it's far to easy to get into a "pattern" .. you expect an message, you don't notice it's not the message you expected, you simply press OK and go on.

But most of the examples I've seen cited appear more to be remorse, or selecting the wrong cat. I know it's FAR too easy to select the wrong cat, especially if you're lagging. And, often, you may actually have intended to send the cat in, but have a change of heart and wish you had perma-petted it, instead.

The idea is to handle both cases. Sort of like a contractual Right of Rescission: for example, in most states in the US, you get three days to cancel a loan contract when purchasing a house.

[penfold83 Resident]

I think a good and easy way to solve this would be to put a menu with in the menagerie button, so click the menagerie button a sub menu pops up with big words like
"ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO MANAGERIE CLICK YES OR NO"

seems the quickest and simple way to me.

[Kayleigh McMillan]

(08-10-2012 09:00 AM)penfold83 Resident Wrote:  I think a good and easy way to solve this would be to put a menu with in the menagerie button, so click the menagerie button a sub menu pops up with big words like
"ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO MANAGERIE CLICK YES OR NO"

seems the quickest and simple way to me.

So true!
Or even a "more >>" button with on the next menu page the really dangerous buttons LOL

[Wendi Lavendel]

(08-08-2012 08:20 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  While I agree that it would be nice to be able to back up a 'mistake', It seriously makes me wonder if people even read prompts before clicking them ... the first prompt says right on it, "Once sent, your KittyCat cannot return!!". As if that's not enough, once you click 'send in' ... you get another prompt that once more reminds you it's a permanent action and asks if you're really sure.

Well I generally read the prompts but my problem has been accidentally clicking the wrong cat/box to menagerie, not clicking the wrong button I'm not very coordinated with the mouse and when I'm doing cat stuff, 75% of the time I'm in a rush because I have to go to work, so I click on the wrong cat A LOT lol

I've also caught myself doing the menagerie/cattery button mismatch a few times but have noticed upon confirming, thank goodness. I'm not sure why; I suppose it could be the placement of the buttons some of the time but I do know from working with other dialogs on other objects that I find the text really hard to read on them, so it might be a combination of those two things for a lot of people. I definitely can't read the print on a dialog box without sticking my face up to the screen, so often I just look for shapes of familiar words, and I'll bet that a lot of people do that same thing... seeing the confirmation message for menagerie or cattery, maybe they're figuring it's one and not the other?

But yeah, an "undo" option would be nice, even if only for a limited time period. My understanding is that menagerie actually removes the cat's record and related data from the database tables completely, so recovery is impossible. Maybe adding an "audit table" or a temporary menagerie table that automatically purges records that are > 24 hours old every day would work?

[Liriel Garnet]

(08-11-2012 08:29 AM)Wendi Lavendel Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 08:20 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  While I agree that it would be nice to be able to back up a 'mistake', It seriously makes me wonder if people even read prompts before clicking them ... the first prompt says right on it, "Once sent, your KittyCat cannot return!!". As if that's not enough, once you click 'send in' ... you get another prompt that once more reminds you it's a permanent action and asks if you're really sure.

Well I generally read the prompts but my problem has been accidentally clicking the wrong cat/box to menagerie, not clicking the wrong button I'm not very coordinated with the mouse and when I'm doing cat stuff, 75% of the time I'm in a rush because I have to go to work, so I click on the wrong cat A LOT lol

I've also caught myself doing the menagerie/cattery button mismatch a few times but have noticed upon confirming, thank goodness. I'm not sure why; I suppose it could be the placement of the buttons some of the time but I do know from working with other dialogs on other objects that I find the text really hard to read on them, so it might be a combination of those two things for a lot of people. I definitely can't read the print on a dialog box without sticking my face up to the screen, so often I just look for shapes of familiar words, and I'll bet that a lot of people do that same thing... seeing the confirmation message for menagerie or cattery, maybe they're figuring it's one and not the other?

But yeah, an "undo" option would be nice, even if only for a limited time period. My understanding is that menagerie actually removes the cat's record and related data from the database tables completely, so recovery is impossible. Maybe adding an "audit table" or a temporary menagerie table that automatically purges records that are > 24 hours old every day would work?

one thing i *can* guarantee is it doesn't remove the cat info from the DB (that'd be poor db management, leaving all the OS records as orphans, and KittyCatS does a great job keeping the DB straight), best i can tell it simply removes it from your active list. you can *still* get to the cat's pedigree and offspring info (which means it's still in the db and you're still somehow the 'owner' of record)

[Kayleigh McMillan]

(08-11-2012 08:36 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  one thing i *can* guarantee is it doesn't remove the cat info from the DB (that'd be poor db management, leaving all the OS records as orphans, and KittyCatS does a great job keeping the DB straight), best i can tell it simply removes it from your active list. you can *still* get to the cat's pedigree and offspring info (which means it's still in the db and you're still somehow the 'owner' of record)

Maybe this has been changed because they could not find my cats.
It is a long time ago indeed but they were unique.
The RFL 2011 teacups Autumn they couldn't find data of them which was a bit odd to me since they were unique.
My noobish menagerie act comes back to me big time unfortunately.
But yes their TOS allows them to not help me out I guess.
But the fact they are unique leaves me wondering.
But they say they have no data of them so I think all data is gone after menagerie a cat even of unique cats unless they have still live offsprings.

[Liriel Garnet]

(08-11-2012 08:40 AM)Kayleigh McMillan Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 08:36 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  one thing i *can* guarantee is it doesn't remove the cat info from the DB (that'd be poor db management, leaving all the OS records as orphans, and KittyCatS does a great job keeping the DB straight), best i can tell it simply removes it from your active list. you can *still* get to the cat's pedigree and offspring info (which means it's still in the db and you're still somehow the 'owner' of record)

Maybe this has been changed because they could not find my cats.
It is a long time ago indeed but they were unique.
The RFL 2011 teacups Autumn they couldn't find data of them which was a bit odd to me since they were unique.

Maybe it has, but if you can see the cat by going back up your pedigree, it's in the DB somehow. The first thing that any decent DB admin will tell you ... you do *not* delete any record that's referenced anywhere else ... since each cat has its parents ID's -- deleting the parent records would leave that cat 'orphaned' and give you lots of DB errors when you try to see the offspring in the pedigree.

[Kayleigh McMillan]

(08-11-2012 08:43 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote:  Maybe it has, but if you can see the cat by going back up your pedigree, it's in the DB somehow. The first thing that any decent DB admin will tell you ... you do *not* delete any record that's referenced anywhere else ... since each cat has its parents ID's -- deleting the parent records would leave that cat 'orphaned' and give you lots of DB errors when you try to see the offspring in the pedigree.

Yes perhaps idk honestly I have a iffy gut feeling about this.