The 9T for 100L "bargain"

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(06-09-2014 01:54 AM)anna acanthus Wrote:  As for the subject of this thread, i wasn't going to post on it having been through the subject so many times in the last couple of years and i don't think theres really any immediate solution possible.
I do think Ivy's idea is the nearest thing we've come to it but i think that the implementation would also require a re-evaluation of the K$=L$ coefficient so i'm not sure if we wouldn't end up at the same difference.

Hello! You've said a mouthful! Yes, Ivy's idea is one I had not considered and one worth thinking about. I had to smile when you mentioned having to have been through this subject several times over the last couple of years...but just think - there are new people coming in all the the time that will benefit from what you and others here have said. (Giggles) Actually, its alot like a classroom...Every year I get the same feeling you just expressed, but every year it Is a new group trying to wade through Shakesperean Analysis LOL

Quote:Personally i don't think i've ever sold or bought a kitty for under 1K except for maybe having grabbed up something useful to my projects from the Love Shacks when in a hurry.
And i've made no secret of the fact that i try to contribute towards the market in general by never dropping my prices below a certain level, and certainly not undercutting on a new recessive.
Call me "Elitist" if you like but it is in fact just logic, i'm part of a market so what is good for that market = good for me = good for that market etc ad inf …

Same here...I echo every word above. I tend to think that Good for the Market has to be whats Good for Breeders and Buyers. By sustaining a realistic and fair price margin we insure that progress and updating can take place. I dont think we must or should choose who our choices will affect because they affect All. And that's the main point of this thread - that perhaps more people will look beyond their small pond to see that each stone they cast will result in infinite ripples whether the see them or not.

Quote:Then again, i'm not rich but i do have a small hobby budget which permits me to maintain a homestead and a small to medium cattery through a few bad months when i can't cover costs. This however isn't the case for everyone and many who just love their kitties have to get kibble money any way they can.

This is true both here and RL...Your words put me in mind of the soft hearted people who who have way too many pets in RL because they love them. Unfortunately they too run into the cost factor often and in RL they often resort to breeding and selling but never thought ahead to the fact that those babies also eat...I've pulled countless out of situations like those in the course of rescue/rehoming projects. They never meant harm, but yet their homes were "littered with cats and dogs" they couldnt feed who later ended up in the back of my car.

Quote:We also need to rethink the subject of 9Ts.
It is now about 3 years since the first, so just any old 9T won't cut it anymore. As always, we need to keep improving our stock, get the best we can either shown or hidden in order to be able to command any decent kind of price.There is also a small market for well-bred older traited cats, especially if the trait combo is very appealing.
These cats are especially invaluable when it comes to breeding out pure, more dominant traiteds, the extreme usefulness of which, to certain fine tuners needs no explaining. It's all about fine tuning with breeding and always has been.

THIS is at the heart of the reason I started this thread! And yes, not all 9T are created equal! I have paid several thousand L$ for a low traited kitty and menageried countless 9T ones for this very reason. The higher priced had the traits I needed to develop and update projects. In the end, All who participate in the market as either sellers or buyers benefit as the quality of the offerings is raised with each effort. I still maintain my "classics" because I believe that to move forward we still need the best of our past. Hehehe, I also hold on to some just for the love of them...like my precious coppers.

Quote:Just another thing about new true recessives.
Now i know that we all need the excitement of possibly finding the latest and greatest when a new collection comes out, but i think that if each slot was limited to lets say, 2 per year at most ?, then values could hold longer and also we'd of course have more of a chance to develop them.
Ex : Snow Cream did in fact hold up pretty well for a good 3/4 months (which BTW was about the same lasting time that the fabulous Bengal Snow had way back in 2011) but the Siam Tortie didn't have much of a run with Aby Choc so soon after.
The longest run was Ody Bel which appeared sometime early 2012 if i remember rightly and by now we're all sick of seeing it and it was top dog for far too long although it's still an extremely useful indicator of the presence of a new ultra recessive eye.

So please KC team can we slow down on new Ultras ?

Interesting, I have thought the same and as i watch the prices plummet on such furs as snow creams, black bengals etc, I cant help but think "but those snow creams are Still valuable if nothing else as "toolbox kitties" to help pull the more recessive". I also look at how far from most recessive furs like beng black and oci black are compared to what was expected. As a result, they have lost value in the eyes of many. Still, valuable to me to use as little bridges forward. The Oci black really surprised me. I can't imagine how some felt who paid 15K for a pair whose only merit was the fur and then just a week later saw higher traited for a fraction of the cost. Just an observation...
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Anna, Thank You So Much for you well thought out post and the time you took to share it. This is my favorite kind of reply!