Thank you for your insights and sarcasm Ethereal. In my opinion, you just proved my point, because the first 6 posts that you describe seemed very sarcastic and counter-productive. Again, this is my opinion.
Secondly, since when is saying "My theory using recessive traits , to test kittens started , is confirmed when I have results like this" is Fabio stating that he Created anything other than having a theory, that in his experience has been proven based on what he has tested.
You stated, "I think this is what everyone tries to teach. Thanks for posting though!" - Sarcasm and plain being rude.
You stated, "A more simple way to put it would be:
If you want to discover the hidden traits of your starter/cat, use the most recessive trait available against that starter/cat.
From my previous post, what I meant was, this is not a theory, this is fact. This is exactly why the most recessive traits are so expensive.
Thanks again for the visual, nonetheless!"
Every time you post you say something ignorant and offensive including your post to me. Then at the end you leave a little note about how you are not trying to offend or slight someone. LOL
He then provided you with statistics, even though I do not personally feel that was necessary, considering he posted this to help others and give extra insight.
Then you reply with another rude and unnecessary post.
"There is no real technique to find new traits, you simply must be lucky enough to have a cat with new traits, and use deep recessive traits to pull it." How are people getting lucky when they get new traits when you stated that there is a method that works and EVERYONE knows about it.
"The majority of the people in kittycats can't afford to purchase 54 cats every release, which is the ONLY limiting factor for finding new traits." Funny I did and actually most do.
"For you though, I'll put it into simple terms." Beyond rude
"Ultimate New Trait Discovery Method, by Ethereal Hurricane: Get Credit Card, buy 100k Lindens. Buy a ton of cats. Use your most recessive traits on the new starters. Post your findings for every single one of them in Kittycats Addicts group chat. Hopefully profit." Oh yea and this is beyond rude, the fact that you bring up his or others postings shows nothing but jealousy on your part. I think its great that people post about their kittys in the chat....that is one of the points of the group. I know I post my kitties in there.
"PS. I'm not trying to slam you or anything, but you're claiming this is your method, when it isn't. Most older kittycats breeders all know of this method. Anyone trying to make money with cats knows of this method. It's nothing new, I'm sorry. I'm not sure if its a language barrier, and I get the point of the post, but to me it feels like subtle boasting on your part. " Bull and yes you are
Thank you for "thinking" I did not read the posts or maybe you just don't think before you speak at all, but some may find your posts offensive, and I am certainly one of those people.
(05-25-2014 08:59 PM)Ethereal Hurricane Wrote: (05-25-2014 07:36 PM)Skylar Sass Wrote: After reading through this post I just wanted to say that it should not matter if you find that a post is redundant because there is already "enough" information. People never stop learning and there is never to much information on a subject. I applaud Fabio for always trying to help others and in NO WAY did I find him being pompous. Yes I am replying to several people in this post at one time. I also believe there is a technique to pulling more traits out from the specials and it is not just all luck. Some yes, others no. I don't believe it is using just the most recessive but certain recessive traits that are closer to the actual hidden traits. Just my opinion and I surely do not know as much as Fabio does, or some of you more experienced breeders. However, I do find it ridiculous to ridicule another for their thoughts, especially when they are trying to be helpful. Now I know some of you will say you didn't but it's actually quite obvious.
You clearly didn't read then (it's okay, it happens quite often). The first 6 replies or so were people saying "yes, this is true, it works, thanks for posting". Mixed with Fabio claiming he created this by himself over 6 months of research. Then, an outlandish claim was made that just 80% of all new cats wont hide hidden traits. Meaning, you have a 1 in 5 chance to get a new trait! It could very well be close to that, but I doubt it, and a sample of 50 cats isn't enough to claim it, just as a sample of 8 cats isn't. Luck is a factor.
Secondly, at the bottom of his post which really doesn't have that much hard data other than a picture, is slightly misleading, and would clearly rely on extra information given, Fabio asks:
(05-13-2014 02:28 PM)fabioazevedo Oh Wrote: Let's turn this "Normal Threads" in a "Important Threads".
Why does this thread need to be an important one? As more than one person has confirmed this should be 'common knowledge' to those who seek breeding information, it's not original. The information presented can already be found in one of the 'important' threads (which, btw the way, also comes with even more important information and breeding tips, mind you).
If your only argument here is that it should be an important thread because people don't know how to read, use the search, ask questions, or all 3 of those, then yes, by all means, please make this an important thread.
Lastly, no one was attacking Fabio at first, he got defensive when people claimed his idea wasn't original. I'm not some 'forum cop', but I do believe people should at least search for a solution, or try to find information on their own first. It's common courtesy to the people who share information for them to not have to repeat it 5000 times. Having 50 threads at the top of the page with half of them repeating the same information, likewise, is counter-productive.
So once again, thank you Fabio for your thread, another confirmation that this method does work, if you wish to use it. 
Discovering hidden traits in kittens started using recessive traits!!
