(06-07-2014 08:36 PM)Hathor Xaris Wrote:  the last straw was someone being upset i wouldn't sell my 8T 2500L retired fur
mega for 500L , they kept saying they didnt want to breed and that was their excuse
for why they thought they should get to buy it for only 500L,
but i knew full well they were taking me for an idiot and that they were just a
vulture looking for a desperate breeder to take advantage of,
then turn around and force it on someone else for the amount i deserved...
how rare megas are i only get one every 50-100 boxes, i dont even want to explain
how much that costs in food but be assured when you see prices tags on
megas for 6k or more its well deserved due to rarity and trait value combined..
and when you see it for under that its due to desperation...

I raised the price on it to 3000L after they said that out of anger.
the last thing i had to sell for cheap was a foxie mega with jade eyes for only 800L!!
this is after it would not sell for weeks at 1500 L, after that i fed my cats and
menaged the last of the ones i could not afford to feed ive gone from over 500 cats
in the beginning of my kittycats breeding hobby to just under 80 about 6 or 7 months
and a whole bunch of mistakes later

So im keeping them all now, will only be keeping one inworld store to "show"
them off at exorbitant prices and to help set an example of actual worth,
its no wonder everyone who's new always asks what to price their cats for,
they are clueless in a washed up market like this,
im treating my cats like designer cats or something to
that effect hoping it will help retain their value by teaching others exactly
what that is, keeping only the good ones and drowning the ugly ones is my
new policy, at least to what suits "my" tastes, some of you might be horrified to see
what kinds of traits i regularly menage without even flinching anymore.

hoping that one day soon more new ppl realize that they should consider
being as stubborn as I am by taking up the practice of
not selling their cats for "peanuts" instead menage menage menage,
or only opening what they can afford to feed, or simply not trying to open too
many cats at a time chasing after traits, and learning to ditch the ones that don't
put out, thats if they can get over all the confusing things about learning how to
breed kittycats properly in the first place,

its not easy to take the reins sometimes, i know in the beginning i was doing the
same thing from sheer inexperience, selling them for very low prices
just to try and feed my cats, i just finished cleaning out over 100 kitties
on the online marketplace i had to sell them all for 100L each and thats the
last time i ever breed that many cats and actually think i can sell them for what they
are worth in a market where my neighbors undercut me every time knowing
they face similar issues, since its a group evil we all seem to lose out hard
from our own desperation,

but now because of this the market is so bad and im forced just to not really have
very many cats and not bother even trying to sell them too often... Luckily for me
though i have other sl businesses to rely on to feed a few select kitties.
And btw i didnt know they did temp increases of menagerie dollars before,
thats a fantastic idea, but sadly i've already had to menage so many many kitties
so little that helps me now, heres to visiting more auctions, which i finally now understand why,
and hoping things get better in the fall...
cuz thats how long y'all gonna have to wait to buy my pretty kitties again...
im off of the kittycats market for now, cept for my dozen or so in my one
showroom store im keeping course

sadly i dont have much time for much else this busy rl summer brings,
but you might still see me a wall flower at an auction or two on my day off,
and thats only if i actually have some extra some rl money to spend on sl.
as supposed to the money id get from kittycats sales like i use too...

(06-08-2014 02:10 AM)Vrem Vaniva Wrote:  Good for you Hathor. Hold that line, set an example. Not many people would see your 3K price for the 8T megapuss as unreasonable. Unaffordable to many, maybe, but certainly not unfair. Not even unaffordable to someone who really wants it and has the sense to save for a desired purchase.

Anyone who makes/sells stuff in SL encounters freebie-seekers daily. I've been wheedled in all kinds of ways ... shockingly at times ("I neeed that dress but I don't have $195 lindens -- will you give it to me? Oh and i don't have time to sit and wait for the lucky chair to call my name, plus I don't remember what the first letter of my name is because i keep changing my name to something illegible.") The cheap-kittie-shark might just be a new breed of freebie-seeker ? Freebie-seekers are often tremendously proud that they don't spend even an RL penny in SL. It's the pride of being successful at ... well, taking. Hang in there and take comfort in the fact that you are contributing. Maybe be a little bit cynical about people who try to bully you into giving up your best for nothin'.

(06-08-2014 05:45 PM)Vrem Vaniva Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:12 PM)Dimpz Morane Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 11:31 AM)Hathor Xaris Wrote:  I wonder if it's possible that some of the vultures are typically from third world countries where 100 linden is actually good money to them, as to how exactly they obtain their kitties in the first place? It's probably that your guess is as good as mine...just guessing here, and considering that they are probably obtained in illegitimate ways it could be all the more reason to avoid buying from not so well known avies when the price tag is too small.

I find this incredible offensive and racist, in so many ways - my blood is actually boiling!!!

please think before posting such remarks

... hands Dimpz an ice pack to cool the blood ... plays soft music.
I feel you're being too harsh with Hathor. She is trying to find some explanation to account for ... the behavior of tricksters and fraud artists she has encountered. It's easy to be indignant and "holier than thou" if you aren't willing to put yourself in another person's shoes for a moment.

The only thing remotely racist in Hathor's comment is the term "Third World". Not really sure exactly what is meant by that term -- but she only referst to "countries where 100L is a month's salary." -- so -- economic third world, not racial third world ...
You've all see the fly by night skin template pirates and such ... IP theft knows no cultural boundaries, surely. There's no way to pirate a kittycat, yayy. But we have encountered fraudulent trading, so don't be too judgmental of Hathor's observation.
An imperative to Tolerance is built in to the Terms of Service in Second Life. The TOS doesn't go a lot further than that, -- hence, kindness is not required.

(06-08-2014 11:31 AM)Hathor Xaris Wrote:  I wonder if it's possible that some of the vultures are typically from third world countries where 100 linden is actually good money to them, as to how exactly they obtain their kitties in the first place? It's probably that your guess is as good as mine...just guessing here, and considering that they are probably obtained in illegitimate ways it could be all the more reason to avoid buying from not so well known avies when the price tag is too small.

(06-08-2014 05:45 PM)Vrem Vaniva Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 12:12 PM)Dimpz Morane Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 11:31 AM)Hathor Xaris Wrote:  I wonder if it's possible that some of the vultures are typically from third world countries where 100 linden is actually good money to them, as to how exactly they obtain their kitties in the first place? It's probably that your guess is as good as mine...just guessing here, and considering that they are probably obtained in illegitimate ways it could be all the more reason to avoid buying from not so well known avies when the price tag is too small.

I find this incredible offensive and racist, in so many ways - my blood is actually boiling!!!

please think before posting such remarks

... hands Dimpz an ice pack to cool the blood ... plays soft music.
I feel you're being too harsh with Hathor. She is trying to find some explanation to account for ... the behavior of tricksters and fraud artists she has encountered. It's easy to be indignant and "holier than thou" if you aren't willing to put yourself in another person's shoes for a moment.

The only thing remotely racist in Hathor's comment is the term "Third World". Not really sure exactly what is meant by that term -- but she only referst to "countries where 100L is a month's salary." -- so -- economic third world, not racial third world ...
You've all see the fly by night skin template pirates and such ... IP theft knows no cultural boundaries, surely. There's no way to pirate a kittycat, yayy. But we have encountered fraudulent trading, so don't be too judgmental of Hathor's observation.
An imperative to Tolerance is built in to the Terms of Service in Second Life. The TOS doesn't go a lot further than that, -- hence, kindness is not required.

(06-08-2014 07:55 PM)fabioazevedo Oh Wrote:  Vrem, I have been an admirer of your answers. but you was poor in their response this time.
forgive me.

(06-09-2014 01:54 AM)anna acanthus Wrote:  Whatever the intentions behind Hathor's remark it's read on face value and on face value it's highly inflammatory so of course it's offensive to anyone who cares about the human condition in general.
I can say i know Dimpz pretty well by now and anyone else who does will also know that any "holier than thou' attitude has absolutely no place in her personality, quite the opposite in fact.

(06-09-2014 02:55 AM)Vrem Vaniva Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:54 AM)anna acanthus Wrote:  Whatever the intentions behind Hathor's remark it's read on face value and on face value it's highly inflammatory so of course it's offensive to anyone who cares about the human condition in general.
I can say i know Dimpz pretty well by now and anyone else who does will also know that any "holier than thou' attitude has absolutely no place in her personality, quite the opposite in fact.

… Maybe if you knew Hathor pretty well you would be equally sympathetic and willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't know either very well.

(06-09-2014 01:54 AM)anna acanthus Wrote:  As for the subject of this thread, i wasn't going to post on it having been through the subject so many times in the last couple of years and i don't think theres really any immediate solution possible.
I do think Ivy's idea is the nearest thing we've come to it but i think that the implementation would also require a re-evaluation of the K$=L$ coefficient so i'm not sure if we wouldn't end up at the same difference.

Quote:Personally i don't think i've ever sold or bought a kitty for under 1K except for maybe having grabbed up something useful to my projects from the Love Shacks when in a hurry.
And i've made no secret of the fact that i try to contribute towards the market in general by never dropping my prices below a certain level, and certainly not undercutting on a new recessive.
Call me "Elitist" if you like but it is in fact just logic, i'm part of a market so what is good for that market = good for me = good for that market etc ad inf …

Quote:Then again, i'm not rich but i do have a small hobby budget which permits me to maintain a homestead and a small to medium cattery through a few bad months when i can't cover costs. This however isn't the case for everyone and many who just love their kitties have to get kibble money any way they can.

Quote:We also need to rethink the subject of 9Ts.
It is now about 3 years since the first, so just any old 9T won't cut it anymore. As always, we need to keep improving our stock, get the best we can either shown or hidden in order to be able to command any decent kind of price.There is also a small market for well-bred older traited cats, especially if the trait combo is very appealing.
These cats are especially invaluable when it comes to breeding out pure, more dominant traiteds, the extreme usefulness of which, to certain fine tuners needs no explaining. It's all about fine tuning with breeding and always has been.

Quote:Just another thing about new true recessives.
Now i know that we all need the excitement of possibly finding the latest and greatest when a new collection comes out, but i think that if each slot was limited to lets say, 2 per year at most ?, then values could hold longer and also we'd of course have more of a chance to develop them.
Ex : Snow Cream did in fact hold up pretty well for a good 3/4 months (which BTW was about the same lasting time that the fabulous Bengal Snow had way back in 2011) but the Siam Tortie didn't have much of a run with Aby Choc so soon after.
The longest run was Ody Bel which appeared sometime early 2012 if i remember rightly and by now we're all sick of seeing it and it was top dog for far too long although it's still an extremely useful indicator of the presence of a new ultra recessive eye.

So please KC team can we slow down on new Ultras ?

(06-08-2014 11:31 AM)Hathor Xaris Wrote:  I wonder if it's possible that some of the vultures are typically from third world countries where 100 linden is actually good money to them, as to how exactly they obtain their kitties in the first place? It's probably that your guess is as good as mine...just guessing here, and considering that they are probably obtained in illegitimate ways it could be all the more reason to avoid buying from not so well known avies when the price tag is too small.