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RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Reven Rosca - 12-26-2016 07:57 PM I'll try to analyse this Grandma: Mum shows Crystal Crush Dad shows Dry Olive Kitten shows Ex Breeze which is known to be dominant to Dry Olive, and must be Jo Jo's hidden eye. Dad: Mum Shows Cognac and hides Ex Breeze from grandma Dad shows OCM and may hide Cognac. Kitten shows Cognac from mum or dad Mum: Mum Shows Galaxy Moon and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive Dad shows Jade and hides Jade or more recessive Kitten shows Jade, which is known to be recessive to Galaxy Moon, and hides Mum's hidden eye Offspring: Mum Shows Jade and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive Dad shows Cognac and hides either Ody Cognac Moon or more recessive from grandpa or Cognac or Exotic breeze from grandma Kitten shows Ody Bellini which is Mum's hidden, and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive from Dad This means that Dad's Cognac may be grandpa's hidden eye and that his hidden is Exotoc Breeze from his mum. If grandpa's hidden eye can be proved to be dominant to Ody Bellini, we will have proof that Cognac is recessive to Ody Cognac Moon, and Cognac will be placed between OCM and Twilight. A much easier way to prove this will be to breed Grandpa Pippin to a female showing a recessive eye to pull his hidden. RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Arella Ohmai - 12-26-2016 08:24 PM Richarda pedi: her mother, Milkshake: Milkshake offspring proving milkshake hides tap royal: Richarda offspring proving she hides Tap Royal: This proves Richarda hides Tap royal since she got twilight in the offspring which is recessive to cognac and OCM meaning she got milkshakes hidden tap royal. So simple run down..well simple as it gets lol Jason has Coganc showing hides Exotic Breeze Clodagh has Jade showing hides Ody Bellini Offspring shows Ody Bellini Jason's fathers side: Pippin shows OCM hides Cognac Lapis shows OCM hides Twilight Richarda shows Cognac hides Tap Royal Jason's mothers side: Rapunzle shows cognac hides exotic breeze Lamar shows Cognac hides Exotic Breeze or better Jo Jo shows Crystal Crush hides Exotic Breeze So Since the offspring got the Ody Bellini from Clodagh Jason had to have passed something more recessive then Ody Bellini. Jason passed the hidden Exotic Breeze from Rapunzle meaning he received his cognac from Pippin's mother Richarda. Since Pippin has OCM shown and hides Cognac means OCM is dom to Cognac. RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Reven Rosca - 12-27-2016 12:12 AM Re-run with the new pedigrees in the right places Grandma Jo Jo (Mom in this pedigree): Mum shows Crystal Crush Dad shows Dry Olive Kitten shows Ex Breeze which is known to be dominant to Dry Olive, and must be Jo Jo's hidden eye. Great Grandma Milkshake: Mom Chelsea shows OCM, and hides OCM or a more recessive eye Dad 9T 2Tone Shows Tapestry Royale and hides Tapestry Royale or a more recessive eye Kitten Milkshake shows OCM, and hides Tapestry Royale or a more recessive eye Great Grandma's offspring proving her hidden eye: Mom Milkshake shows OCM, and hides Tapestry Royale or a more recessive eye Dad Jackson shows Ody Bellini Kitten Jimena shows Tapestry Royale, which is known to be dominant to Ody Bellini. This proves that Milkshake hides Tapestry Royale Grandma Richarda: Mom Milkshake shows OCM, and hides Tapestry Royale as proven above Dad Scannalan shows Cognac and hides Pewter or more recessive Kitten Richarda shows Cognac from Dad and hides OCM or Tap Royale from Mom Grandma Richarda's offspring proving her hidden eye: Mom Richarda shows Cognac from Dad and hides OCM or Tap Royale from Mom Dad Lapis Shows OCM and hides Twilight or more recessive Kitten "Hides Tap Royal" shows Twilight and hides a more recessive eye. This must be Tapestry Royale, since both Cognac and OCM are proven dominant to Twilight This proves that Riccarda hides Tapestry Royale Dad: Mum Rapunzle shows Cognac and hides Ex Breeze from grandma JoJo Dad Pippin shows OCM and hides Cognac or Tapestry Royale from mom Riccarda. Kitten Jason shows Cognac from mum or dad,and hides either Cognac, Tapestry Royale or Exotic Breeze, depending on who passed the Cognac eyes Mum: Mum Shows Galaxy Moon and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive Dad shows Jade and hides Jade or more recessive Kitten shows Jade, which is known to be recessive to Galaxy Moon, and hides Mum's hidden eye Offspring: Mum Shows Jade and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive Dad shows Cognac and hides either Ody Cognac Moon or Tapestry Royale from grandpa or Cognac or Exotic breeze from grandma Kitten shows Ody Bellini which is Mum's hidden, and hides Ody Bellini or more recessive from Dad Jason Jason's hidden eye must therefore be the Exotic Breeze from Grandma JoJo, because all other possible eyes (OCM, Cognac and Tapestry Royale) are dominant to Odyssey Bellini. This means that Jason's shown Cognac must be grandpa Pippin's hidden eye (because grandma Jo Jo passed her hidden eye, and the shown eye isn't Odyssey Cognac Moon) This proves that Cognac is recessive to Ody Cognac Moon, and Cognac is placed between Odyssey Cognac Moon and Twilight. PHEW! RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Arella Ohmai - 12-27-2016 12:48 AM Laughs! Thank you Reven! @.@ I never do anything the easy way I swear ahahahaha RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Kayla Woodrunner - 12-27-2016 04:57 AM Wow, Arella, I'm going to have to chart this even Reven did it cuz I'm still confused. It's a great thing that you keep track of the history of your hids. I do too. Chart 1: Proves Milkshake hides Tap Royale Mom Milkshake shows OCM Dad Jackson shows Ody Bell Baby Jimena shows Tap Royale, Proves Milkshakes hid is Tap Royale So Milkshake OCM hides Tap Royale Chart 2. Milkshake and Scannalon produce Richarda Milkshake OCM, hid Tap Royale Scannalon shows Cognac, hid unknown Richarda shows Cognac Cognac has to come from Scannalon as we know mom's shown and hid are not Cognac Richarda hid has to be either OCM or Tap Royale from Mom Richarda and Lapis produce a baby Richarda shows Cognac, hides either OCM or Tap Royale Lapis shows OCM Baby shows Twilight Twilight is proven recessive to both Cognac and OCM. Lapis has to hide Twilight since Richarda can only hide OCM or Tap Royale Richarda has to hide Tap Royale since OCM is dom to Twilight So proven Milkshake OCM hides Tap Royale Lapis shows OCM hides Twilight Richarda shows Cognac hides Tap Royale Chart 3. Flipping to the other side of the family JoJo shows Crystal Crush Slippery shows Dry Olive Their baby shows Exotic Breeze, proving JoJo's hid So JoJo shows Crystal Crush, hides Exotic Breeze Chart 4. JoJo and Lamar produce Rapunzle JoJo shows Crystal Crush, hides Exotic Breeze Lamar shows Cognac, hid unknown Rapunzle shows Cognac from Lamar, hides Exotic Breeze. Crystal Crush is proven dom to Cognac Richarda and Lapis produce Pippin Richarda shows Cognac hides Tap Royale Lapis shows OCM hides Twilight Pippin shows OCM from Lapis, so hid has to be either Cognac or Tap Royale from Richarda Rapunzle and Pippin produce Jason Rapunzle shows Cognac, hides Exotic Breeze Pippin shows OCM, hides Cognac or Tap Royale Jason shows Cognac. At this point Cognac can be from either parent Chart 5. Clodagh and Jason produce a baby Clodagh shows Jade Jason shows Cognac Baby shows Ody Bellini Ody Bellini cannot come from Jason. Jason can only have Cognac (his shown), OCM, Tap Royale or Ex Breeze -- no other possibilities Ody Bellini has to be Mom Clodagh's hid Cognac, OCM and Tap Royale are all dom to Ody Bell Therefore Jason's hid has to be Ex Breeze from his Mom Rapunzle. So his shown Cognac has to come from Pippin his dad. Therefore Pippin has a shown of OCM, hid of Cognac, proving Cognac is recessive to OCM Wow you did prove it. I've rarely seen a 5-chart proof. Do you still have Pippin? can you put Pippin against something more recessive? Would be a one-chart proof then. due to disappearing charts on the threads, I am starting a project of saving charts in case they are needed later to prove something. Every once in a while a question comes up but if a chart is gone, the proof is gone too. So I'd really appreciate it. But if not, I'll save all of these. I think Saga likes a one-chart proof but you can send these 5 together. It is complete and their vetter is pretty good. I know Reven and Arwen went through this but I'm slower so had to go through it for myself because I got confused at first. Meantime, I'll go ahead and update my Winter 2016: eyes needing placement list because you did it, Arella! RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Arwen Swordthain - 12-27-2016 05:35 AM Laughs, yeah the easy way would be to stick Pipin with an Ody Bellini and pop his hid . One chart, no headache But Yay you did it, you placed another eye, Reven, Kayla and I will send you the bill for the headache tablets later (12-27-2016 12:48 AM)Arella Ohmai Wrote: Laughs! Thank you Reven! @.@ I never do anything the easy way I swear ahahahaha RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Kayla Woodrunner - 12-27-2016 06:35 AM Actually I kind of like the puzzle aspect of this. Because it's actually a flipped chart -- the cognac is not where you expect it to be. This is why tracking hids across generations is incredibly important. And it's good exercise to avoid Alzheimer's. Takes a swallow of my cherry infused vodka. Although at first it made my eyes swirl! hmmm, maybe that was the vodka? RE: Cognac recessiveness? - KittyCatsProofs Resident - 12-27-2016 06:35 AM Congratulations Arella on placing Cognac, the Forum Based Charts have been updated. and I'll take some of those headache tablets too please RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Arella Ohmai - 12-27-2016 12:04 PM Laughs hard! I have to say this was the hardest trait track down i've had to do. I was sure Cognac was dom to OCM, but they just had to prove me wrong the naughty biscuits! Thank you all for looking it over and sharing the headache lol On the note of pippin I do still have him and will be breeding out his hidden for a 1 chart proof. But after 2 days of going where the heck did ody bellini come from I just had to share that cognac is a naughty naughty eye! RE: Cognac recessiveness? - Arwen Swordthain - 12-27-2016 12:12 PM Ivy says you are doing some Ody Cognac wine tests, Pipin would be a good one to use there, but please, simpler proofs, my head still hurts I suspect the OCW is going to place right beside OCM and Cognac so since Pipin has both, perfect test cat Puts in an order for an OCW cat hiding OCM to place it (12-27-2016 12:04 PM)Arella Ohmai Wrote: Laughs hard! I have to say this was the hardest trait track down i've had to do. I was sure Cognac was dom to OCM, but they just had to prove me wrong the naughty biscuits! Thank you all for looking it over and sharing the headache lol |