KittyCatS! Community Forum - Breeding

Sun Sherbert is dominant to Uber Odyssey

Wed, 25 Mar 2026 14:04:12 -0700

Hello Everybody.
Sun Sherbert is dominant to Uber Odyssey

New whiskers color : Odyssey Black and white

Tue, 24 Mar 2026 10:11:07 -0700

My surprise kitten gave this new whisker color : Odyssey Black & White
The 3 other kittens issued by the same parents havent shown other whiskers colors so far, so i dont know about the recessivenes of this color

Discoveries Chart Mistake

Thu, 19 Mar 2026 06:16:27 -0700

I am not sure who keeps the discoveries chart up to date so this was the best way to reach out.

There is a mistake in what collection the following traits came from
Nu Moo No. 2 marked is as from the winter 2025 but is actually Love 2026
Peony Kiss is marked as being from the Winter 2025 Collection but it is actually Love Collection 2026.

Thank you whomever you are for keeping up such a important database for all of the community. <3 We appreciate you.

For those unsure of what chart I am reoffering to I am linking it here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...id=0#gid=0

Surprise Birth Numbering

Wed, 18 Mar 2026 05:11:57 -0700

Are the Happy Go Lucky surprise births for this year actually numbered in the order of when they were bred? That would be logical, but I don't want to assume.

Ody Terra vs Shamrock (Wrong placement on charts)

Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:37:10 -0700

This happened today:

It appears that this eye wasn't fully tested. Ody Terra can't hide behind Peach Bellini, but apparently it CAN hide behind Shamrock (which is listed as more recessive). This really brings up the question of, do we have others that maybe weren't fully tested from the early stages of KittyCats?

Even the older charts show this error: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...id=0#gid=0

Odyssey Black & White - New Whiskers

Fri, 27 Feb 2026 12:02:40 -0800

Fur: Toyger - Silver
Eyes: Grey Matter (Curious|Big)
Shade: Radiant
Tail: Flair
Ears: Pixie Big Boo Boo
Whiskers: Odyssey Black & White (Guitar)
Size: Normal

The whiskers are not the most recessive, so dominant to Chai Tipped Black since I didn't need back breeding to pull them.

You can see her live here

New Eye - PEONY KISS

Thu, 26 Feb 2026 22:38:12 -0800

The UgLy sWeaTeR PartY! - Merry & Bright cat was first unpacked from vendor packaging after the release of the 2026 Love Collections.

Gib Discovered New Fur NuMoo 2

Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:21:19 -0800

New Fur NuMoo 2

Love Collection-Modern Love "Special Baby"

Wed, 25 Feb 2026 09:20:48 -0800

♂ New Born Kitten

Fur: mOdeRn LOVE! - Beautiful Storm No. 64330152441
Eyes: Galaxy Burst (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Super Posh
Ears: Pixie Rounded
Whiskers: Rainbow Tipped Black No. 3 (Shape: Plush)
Size: Hubba Tubba

Version: 1.92
Owner: Diego Savagard
ID: f4d36c22-6a97-dcec-5f1a-93d5bc12e036
Pedigree: https://kittycats.ws/p?d2137319f55800939786
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MOM: Shasta
mOdeRn LOVE! - Girl No. 2
Fur: Genesis - Patch II
Eyes: Genesis Sunflower (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: Infinity
mOdeRn LOVE! - Boy No. 3
Fur: Genesis - Patch II
Eyes: Genesis Bronze (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape)

An attempt at a Guide for Trait Purity

Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:42:23 -0800

Hello

I am working on a project to produce a line of pure Faux Puff - Cobalt, so I thought to share a guide on how to get a pure trait on a cat.

Of course there are easy ways for a CHANCE of pure, but how to get a 100% provable indisputable pure before you even birth the kitten? There are not many ways.

The options are:

1- When a trait is the most recessive, you can be sure it is a pure. If later something more recessive is released, you can prove that your line is older than this release.

2- You mate two hiders of the trait together and when the trait shows, then it is a pure, because that was the most recessive trait on both cats.

3- You mate a pure with a hider, but you need to get a pure first by Option 1 or 2

4- You mate 2 pures, but you need to get two pures first by the other options.

Option 1 is straightforward, so I will include an example of Option 2 and 3.
Option 4 is straightforward but after you make pures.

Making a pure using two hiders

1- Making the Two Hiders

There are different ways to make hiders, but some are clear and certain before birthing the kitten and some require further testing.

I listed all the possibilities of mating two cats in the document included in this thread KittyCatS Pairing & Outcome Reference, and marked the ones that give you a hider with certainty.

I don't think many checked the document when I posted it, but I think it is useful. I realize it looks coded but this way it is more compact, and I can explain it to anyone who is interested.

Anyway, in this example, I will use a starter (which is already a natural hider) to get more hiders:

Using starters with cats with dominant visible traits

Ideally, you find a trait in a starter, so you already have one hider.
And you mate it with a partner whose visible trait falls between the starter's visible and hidden traits on the chart. If the hidden trait does too, that is even better because you will get a hider no matter which trait the partner passes.

Why do the partner traits have to be more recessive to the visible trait on your hider (starter or not)?
Because that is the only way to make sure that the resulted kitten hides the hidden trait you seek not the visible, without having to test the kitten.

So, here is what I did in the below screenshot.
At the time I made this hider, I was testing if the Ocicat - Chocolate was dominant to the Faux Puff - Cobalt, but it is easier if you already know this information of course.

Now I have a hider but not the opposite sex, so I try to make another.
I prefer to make another anyway so I don't need to use a 0T kitty for the rest of the project.

Here is the 2nd hider:

Now I have two hiders I can mate together for a pure.

2- Mating the Two Hiders

If they give the hidden trait, it is 100% PURE because it came from both cats and it is the most recessive on both cats. Nothing else an hide behind it in this mating.

It is a 25% chance but I was lucky to get it at the first attempt.

I think that is a good time to say that this is the AC BC case on my document.

A = Most Dominant Trait on the pair together
B = More Recessive than A
C = More Recessive than B
D = More Recessive than C

So

A = Ocicat - Chocolate
B = Tiger! - Powder Blue
C= Faux Puff - Cobalt
No D because Faux Puff - Cobalt is in the pair twice.

This gives AB or AC or BC or CC. What I got here is CC.

Two letters together here mean Visible Hider. The first is the visible and the second is the hider.
So, for example AB means Ocicat - Chocolate hiding Tiger! - Powder Blue.

AB with AB would work too. The difference here is that the two dominant traits are the same. So, Ocicat - Chocolate would be A and Faux Puff - Cobalt is B and there is no C. Only two traits available in the pair in this case.
But as you see written in the previous screenshot, I don't prefer this case because l would lose the chance to get more indisputable hiders. But if you don't care to get more hiders, it works too.

Here is the kitten with pure Faux Puff - Cobalt that I got:

Now how to continue to make a whole line of this pure trait?

You can keep trying until you make two pures of the the opposite sex and mate them together but that could take long.

What I prefer is, after making one pure to
mate it with a hider
Its parent with the opposite sex is an available candidate, so I used that.

This is the AB BB case on my document
A = Ocicat - Chocolate
B = Faux Puff - Cobalt

Which gives AB or BB. What we want is BB, but if we get AB, it is a hider so still useful.

Why is this better than to keep mating the two hiders together?

It is a 50% chance instead of 25% and I only wait 2 weeks to be able to start on the pair and do not have to wait for another pure not knowing when it would come.

The possibilities here are:

1- 50% chance : I get the partner's dominant visible trait.
2- 50% chance : I get the trait I am working on. In this case it is PURE.
Because the pure cat definitely passed it and I know the hider did also because if it didn't, the kitten would show the dominant trait which is possibility 1.

I got possibility 1 today, but with this cute chubby face I could not be sad :

When I get possibility 2 with the the opposite sex, I will have two pures and could mate them together and get more pures.

And you can keep mating the hiders together at the same time if you have more two hiders, and one of the parings will get the 2nd pure eventually.

Note: If you mate a pure trait with a visible of the same trait hiding something else, that is not an indisputable pure (no matter how solid it may appear). That is only a chance.
but of course it could be a good way to get the trait visible with 100% chance if you don't care if it is pure or not.

This is the AA AB case on my document
A = Faux Puff - Cobalt (using it as an example here too)
B = Whatever your visible Faux Puff - Cobalt is hiding

This gives AA or AB. So ALWAYS the Faux Puff - Cobalt visible but might not be pure.

The Trait Tester Garden: a new educational space

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 06:56:47 -0800

• Are you a new breeder?
• Do you have that nagging feeling that there is more to KittyCats than randomly bonking cute cats?
• Do you want to help your community AND learn what the Charts are for?

The Dominance Charts team is beginning our first in-world educational initiative. We have set up a space called the Trait Tester Garden. In the garden, we aim to teach new breeders and those with fuzzy breeding skills how to take a proof-test to completion. When you enter the garden, you will see a series of mats/platforms. Each one is labelled with the name of an unplaced trait.

Each student commits to seeing one proof-test to completion. For instance, we already have a test up for Magic Mountain eye versus Mystic Breeze. This is not a commitment to doing the entire placement of Magic Mountain. At the completion of the proof, a student may elect to take on another proof with the same trait or switch to a different one. The students own the cats and offspring and are expected to feed them. Students will be given test cats or they may opt to bring their own. (Donations of test cats and pullers are welcome.)

We are also seeking mentors with advanced breeding skills who know how to do a proof, who could regularly hang out in the garden and give ad hoc advice.
Priority on mats will always be given to students, rather than mentors. (I do have a test out now as a demonstration but will yield that space when a student comes up to test on that trait.) Prims are also limited; the parcel has been graciously granted for our use by the Cattales management.

Please check out the space. For any further questions or to become a student or mentor, please contact Ivy Norsk.

Visit the Trait Tester Garden

Thank you for preserving all traits

Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:12:54 -0800

I checked the statistics of the different traits on Torgon (There is a page for that there) against the traits lists on the dominance order document, and found that not a singe trait is not on the market.
Some are listed very few times, but still there. Only some of the very new traits are missing but that is natural.

I was impressed and I had to share this. Thank you for everyone who has been preserving retired traits . I think I will try to contribute to that soon. I do not wish to see any trait completely gone from the market.

KittyCatS Pairing & Outcome Reference

Mon, 02 Feb 2026 05:45:00 -0800

Hello ,

I first made this list around 2012 as handwritten notes after reading Saga’s explanation of the genetics system. I created it to help myself quickly figure out which cats to use when trying to pull certain traits.

Over time, I stopped using it because I got more comfortable making those decisions on the fly. Today, I decided to refine it, turn it into a digital version and share it through a Google Document.

I’m hoping it can help others. I’ll continue reviewing it to catch any mistakes, and I’d really appreciate any feedback or corrections from anyone who uses it.

This isn’t meant to be a definitive guide. If you decide to use it, please review it carefully and rely on your own judgment and experience.

Note: I find it easier to think of traits using the letters A, B, C, D (ordered by dominance). This system makes things clear in my mind and helps me organize the possibilities logically, but I understand that not everyone may be comfortable with this setup.

Sara Franco's KittyCatS Pairing & Outcome Reference

NEW EYE! Odyssey Desert Sand

Mon, 19 Jan 2026 19:09:59 -0800

So I'm looking through the dominance charts, and right now it shows Fairy Dust as the most recessive, with it being limited to that collection starter (Love 2025).

I just got a kitten who's eyes are more recessive to Fairy Dust (can't see it yet, as it's hidden). Does this mean that it CAN'T be hiding Fairy Dust since it was limited to the collection only? If so, this means we may have a new trait on the way!

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What do retired cats produce

Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:59:08 -0800

What do retired furs produce?

New Fur Shabby Tabby - 3 Spot No. 1

Sat, 10 Jan 2026 05:58:14 -0800

Fur: Shabby Tabby - 3 Spot No. 1
Eyes: Soul Sparkle (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Stubby
Ears: Pixie Odyssey Fold No. 2
Whiskers: Tangerine Tipped Black (Shape: Guitar)
Size: Normal
https://i.gyazo.com/647f3483e5e8ab372f76dc435ed5302a.png

Breeding

Sat, 10 Jan 2026 03:45:42 -0800

I haven't had cats before here and I am still learning but I can't understand why I stopped a partnership and had to wait ten days for it to dissolve and then another ten days when I bred the pair with different partners. One of the pair, the boy has started breeding again but the girl is still at zero and I can't understand why she hasn't started yet. They are both enabled, can anyone help please?

NEW FUR - Shabby Tabby - 3 Spot No. 1

Sat, 10 Jan 2026 02:51:02 -0800

♀ Axella

҉ 0 days ♥ 0% ☻ 99% ↯ 100% 모☁ 0%

Fur: Shabby Tabby - 3 Spot No. 1
Eyes: Sky Sherbert (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: White Tipped Black (Shape: Double Stubby)
Size: 12 cm (4.7 inch)

Version: 1.93
Owner: Angelique Magic (angeliquemagic)
ID: 6c75eaf3-5efa-fd26-27df-f1062fec8d32

New Fur Felis Margarita No. 2

Sat, 03 Jan 2026 15:31:50 -0800

Lepidolite - NEW EYES!

Sat, 03 Jan 2026 11:09:16 -0800

♂ New Born Kitten

Fur: Chateau Cat - Pink & White No. 1
Eyes: Lepidolite (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Sparkle
Tail: Super Fussy
Ears: Pixie Big Boo Boo
Whiskers: Apple Tipped Black (Shape: Swanky)
Size: Normal

Version: 1.93
Owner: Sara Dragonetti (sara.franco)
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MOM: Giraffe
Pajama PaRty! - Giraffe
Fur: Genesis - Pearl II
Eyes: Genesis Bronze (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: Bennett
Fur: Chateau Cat - Ocean Puff No. 1
Eyes: Odyssey Whisper (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Brilliant
Tail: Super Fussy
Ears: Pixie Big Boo Boo
Whiskers: Turquoise Tipped White (Shape: Swanky Lite)