Pricing HUDs for New Breeders

[Devilness Chant]

When I first heard of huds to help price kitties, my first thought was maybe it will help get the market a bit more even. haaaaaaaaa Yes I was born blond.

What I find really sad are the people that are being extremely rude and pushy over trying to control the market.

There have always been different levels of buyers and sellers in the market. From high to low. But to go around attacking people at auctions and such just amazes me. I constantly hear about this one showing up at an auction and giving someone a hard time over something they said in forum or about their pricing. Or groups boycotting others and trying to get others in on it. If you feel the need to boycott someone and it makes you feel better, than leave others alone and feel free to boycott me. I work for a living. rofl

If you need to make money that badly, that you would try to force others to keep prices high so you can make a buck, then get a job. You can get a job in rl or in sl. Most people that breed do it as a hobby. Sure we try to make a little to help pay for our hobby, but no one has the right to make us miserable while we're doing it.

I deal with kids all week, and I have to say that from what I've seen, some here are more shameful than kids who don't know better. I'm an atheist, but the one thing I did take away from going to church is... Do unto others the way you want others to do unto you.

To the wonderful people that make this community fun and caring. I thank you. You all are what this community is all about.

[MsMagick Resident]

I'm disabled, but I'm doing my best to focus on spending my time here having fun with my online family and on trying to figure out how to sell my cats at a fair price - not getting mad or jealous, pushing people around, etc.

However, some of the attitudes and comments that I have seen recently have made me decide NOT to rent space/prims from the SIMs that those people are associated with because I don't want to support, or be associated with, elitists, griefers, bullies or controlling jerks. If you are losing sales or renters, it could just be summer or the crazy market, but also ask yourself if you're behaving like someone that people would want to do business with.

And yes, I also work a little on SL. I spend a lot more time on my kitties though - for both work and play. :-)

[Devilness Chant]

I agree with you MsMagick. I would never try to turn anyone against someone else, but it does seem those people are doing a good job of turning people against themselves.

I don't do much for sales, which is fine, I only had a couple kitties out at one shop and took them back cause I didn't want to part with them. lol But I do keep a tracker to see how many do show up around my shops. One shop used to get around ten or so visitors a day. After all the drama started it dropped to 0. It tracked more than just my shop. The area it covered included walking traffic and the traffic to the shop next to mine. So it's affecting more than just me. I would walk around and see others, but lately it's been a ghost town. And it's really sad, cause it's a really nice sim.

My comment about getting a job was directed to the pushy people that are trying to control the market. There are lots of disabled people in sl that aren't bullying others over pricing. Most of us are here to enjoy ourselves, make new friends, and have fun.

There is one hud a friend of mine uses and it seems pretty good. I guess they do have people that check the market, shops, to get prices for different traits. I've almost bought it a few times. I might not use it as set in stone prices, but it would be nice to have something to give me an idea of what to price at. And I certainly wouldn't be using it to tell others how to price their kitties.

[Angellillah Pyle]

I am sorry that some of you have experienced some negative behavior from sellers. I think the price hud is a useful tool. But it is very important to know that the the Price hud is only a guideline to price your kitty's! After all it's still up to you to decide how much you want to sell your kitty's for, or how much they are worth in your opinion..

The price hud gets updated all the time. And if the market is not doing as well for a period of time, it's not some hud or the creator that needs to be blamed. But the sellers of kitty's. We are seeing some major sales, breeders who are leaving...
I do not think this is due to the hud no ? lol

If a certain kitty is overpriced in your opinion, just keep searching for one that is less expensive. Not everyone is pricing their kitty's for the same price..
If someone wants to sell their kitty for 10k or for 75L thats up to them, and we are definitely not commanding someone to stick to the price of the HUD.
As i said before... it's only a guideline folks..

We have people contacting us, if they think a price is off.. some don't need / like it. And some love it... You can not please everyone

The market has good times and bad period of times.. It's not always easy to keep everything accurate but we try to do that as often and good as possible. That together with people from the community

Keep in mind that the hud does not look into the background of a kitty. So that can make a difference in pricing as well..

For every 3 people that does not support your products.... you have a billion more who are willing to help you, support you and improve your products.

As the slogan of the products say... We build it, you make it better!

[Script Hyun]

(05-07-2015 01:10 PM)Tad Carlucci Wrote:  For some time now there have been some HUDs out there which purport to aid you in setting prices for your cats.

While these may be of some use for new breeders, they can also lead to problems.

Users of these products should always bear in mind the following:

1) There is NO true 'fair price' nor is there any true 'current market price'. While these HUDs may claim to present such values, it is a false claim. These claims are, in fact, the opinion of the creator, with NO basis in fact, and NO representation of actual market conditions.

2) The information used by these HUDs is often vastly out-of-date. Even remembering that the factors used to produce the fictitious prices are nothing more than one person's opinion, and have no relation, whatsoever, with actual market conditions; and notwithstanding any claims of regular updates; these products are often woefully out-of-date and may no longer even represent the opinions of the creator.

3) Approaching other breeders and questioning their pricing based upon what your HUD suggests might be a 'fair' price is, at best, rude, if not downright abusive.

It's your choice whether to use these HUDs and rely upon their suggestions.

But, PLEASE, keep it to yourself and stop accosting people simply because your HUD suggests a different price. If you don't like the price you see, move on.

Let me FIRST of all reply to this thread, if you do not agree about the pricing, price your kitties the way you like them, no one obligates you to refrain these guidelines.
Secondly, before posting something about another person's creation without even contacting the creator on how those prices are obtained is in my opinion extremely low, you had a personal problem with a person, not with the hud nor the person who created this item.

Since you refer to one of the products I made, it would have been most of all normal that you would have contacted me instead of posting once again a "kitty"-drama post on the forum.
First of all, you never used one of my products, so how can you even judge on how a program works if you never used it.

1.) There is a current market value, in the opposite of what you claim, markets fluctuate all the year.
Also the prices are NOT generated by myself, as I mentioned in the notecard send out with the hud, there is more then one person who gathers the prices found on the auctions and on the markets (I call them to my team of monkeys), those values are all put together and an average price is calculated out of all this information.
There is a whole calculation process behind this system.
Appearently it seems easier to point fingers and make your own opinion about a product you never used.

2.) About the "out-of-date", the hud I created is the only one on the market, so it's obviously clear on which one you are pointing your fingers to, the HUD is updated WEEKLY.
Accussing the "creator" herefor me, does not update his products, nor keep track of the market, I think most of the people can agree that I'm mostly on each auction on the grid, following track, checking the hud and comparing if the cat is sold for the estimated value, which in 98% of the time they do.

3.) The calculator has been made as a GUIDELINE so people will not UNDERPRICE or OVERPRICE their kittens, it's ment for beginners so they won't sell a new trait for 150 L , or by some claims of people "recommending" price calculation about 50L / Trait, then you can sell a latest traitted kitty for 600L max.
Therefor I have included the current market value and the estimated market value
UNDERPRICE vs. OVERPRICE
People are free to pick a price in between those two values, even under, even above, it's their wallet, not mine.
At least they won't get rip off like in the example given below.

My intention of the hud was to help new people in pricing their kitties, without having some persons taking advantage of their "not-knowing" which traits their kitty had with any value.
As lately seen in the pricing group, someone told another person to sell his kitty with scotty fold ears for 700 L, asking them immediatly where they'd sell it.
THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID!

In the opposite of some creators, I'm still busy in breeding cats, and in following their new traits, as I'm still working on new items and on updates.
If the items are not updated, it would also be a bad publicity for me, I DO stand behind my products and as I mentioned in the "KittyCats - Stuff" section on this forum, there is a whole explanation on how I gather the information.
As people know, this is pure coding, there are some flaws in it, therefor I also rely on the community and on the monkeys, if they tell me what's wrong, I'll be the first to update the products and fix the issues!

So before pointing fingers because you had a bad conversation with another person on a monday / sunday morning, gather all your info before just putting them on a public forum.

Chill up, grab a cup of coffee, take a walk, get back in front of your computer and enjoy the game as it has to.

[Tad Carlucci]

You seem to miss the point.

The problem is some who use it take it as being so and are accosting others because your HUD says the price they see for a cat is different.

If you want to actually take steps to help solve the problem, add a disclaimer to your HUD reminding the user it intended to help them set prices for their own cats; and your HUD is NOT intended to be used to gauge the prices of other people's cats.

[Devilness Chant]

Ok I put my money where my mouth is.... I have to say I Hyuns hud. Now I can run all over the markets and tell ppl how to price their kitties! MWHAAAAAAAAA
Kidding it's not mine or ANY ONES place to do that.

I don't think it's the Holy Pricing Grail of kc market, but I find it quite helpful and not that expensive.

It gives two prices I can use. A high and low. Like the worth of the traits, and the going market rates.

It's still my choice what I want to price my kitties at, but it gives me an idea what to price them at. I had some nice kitties out for 500L cause I had no clue what to price them at. They're worth more so I just went up a bit to get closer to the low price on the hud. If I feel my kitty is worth more I can choose in between the prices given. But at least it gives me a range to work from. It's nice because I'm not over pricing or underpricing.

You do have to add in for hidden traits. It only prices the traits shown. So I can add in a few more lindens if it's a better trait or maybe type in all the traits replacing hiddens in chat and copy paste that. It has a lot of possibilities.

I've been breeding a loooooong time and I'm sure many of us old breeders will agree that pricing has always been a bigger nightmare than trying to breed those wanted traits. lol

[Malayaa Resident]

I like the HUD, I've been using it as a starting point, and I find it helpful, especially when I have not been shopping or to an auction for a long time and am staring blankly at a cat wondering "now what" when I want to put it in a shop. Then sometimes I just look at a cat and think "this cat feels like a 1400L cat to me" and so I price it that way.

I am downsizing my cattery (have cut it to less than half!) and don't plan on being online much, or at auctions much, until I have more free time in real life, so any technology that provides clues as to what is going on with the market is useful to me.

The problem with the buyers? If they are reasonable, they will be open to education and then understand the concepts of free markets and that the HUD is only a tool, one of many factors a seller uses when pricing, and they will work with the seller to find a mutually agreeable price. If they are unreasonable and rude and harassing, ummm....I believe there is a button for that! There, that was EZ

[Icestron Resident]

I dont have the HUD but I do think it serves a valuable purpose - I have friends who use it and as all things go there are pros and cons to any product. I sorta kinda did think ppl knew that the pricing it suggests is a guide - and not a holy grail.

I do not like that someone anonomous used the tool as a weapon to upset someone else (Charm). I am sorry this happened to Charm and it is good to bring this matter to everyones attention. the delivery is probably a bit harsh - but it is heartfelt -

That however is not the huds fault - or the scripter of the huds fault.

We as a community can work towards educating others - and spread the word that this useful tool offers a guiding price only. Hopefully that message is out there now.