Breeder names on Pedigrees

[Tad Carlucci]

With the advent of the display of the Breeder on the Pedigree pages, I've noted a disturbing trend. I wish it were not so; but people will be people.

I suggest it would cause a bit fewer problems by changing current display showing only "You" and "Someone Else" to display "KittyCatS" instead of "Someone Else" for Starters. That way, comments that "your cats not good enough because you didn't breed them down the line" will be somewhat lessened.

As it now stands, when you purchase staters and produce a really nice Grandchild, it's not apparent you did so because, while "You" bred the box, and "You" bred both parents, "Someone Else" ("KittyCatS") bred the Grandparents (Starters).

[anna Acanthus]

I agree.
Also i'm pretty fed up with seeing, in my case "someone else" as the breeder even though as I show as the owner it's obvious, to most people anyhow that i was also the breeder.
But in fact i really don't see much use in this feature as it stands, it hasn't added anything much to the way it used to be IMO.

Since this thread and poll for the new feature : http://kittycats.biz/forum/showthread.ph...82&page=12 my views have rather changed and i say to hell with alt anonymity, who cares; after all many alts are pretty well known and it's not rocket science to work out the ones we don't know if we really feel the need to.

I like to be able to know which breeders have gone to all the trouble of breeding up a good line from scratch and i think they should be allowed the credit that they deserve. And it's also useful to be able to contact the breeder who may have a cat that i need.
The remarks in that thread about elitism and snobbery were just petty nonsense.
I'd also like for potential buyers to be able to see the other breeder's names in the pedigrees of my cats in the cases where i've used other people's work, and i always have full pedigree view checked.

As for remarks about a cat not being good enough if the seller didn't breed it along the whole line, that is just plain silliness, a good cat is a good cat so you buy it to use in your lines is all.

So i say just give us owner AND breeder names please and have done with it.

** I've just checked the result of that poll and 73.42% of voters wanted both named, and i think most took this to mean the actual name, not just "you" or "someone else"

[Tad Carlucci]

The word you should use is not "silliness", "elitism" better describes how some people are using this feature.

The feature should never have been put in. But we have it, so we're probably stuck with it.

Adding peoples actual names would make it far, far worse.

This has nothing to do with privacy; it has everything to do with not wanting to put up with the inevitable abusive. If people are like this for "Someone Else" what do you think they'll be like when they can send IMs .. and don't think for a moment all those messages will be complimentary.

The remarks about elitism and snobbery may have been nonsense, but they were accurate: this feature promotes it. Frankly, I think the best idea would be to admit the feature creates ill will and bad behavior and take it back out. But it has some use, and most people behave themselves most of the time. All I'm asking is for a minor change to do a bit to reduce it. Frankly, your poll does is show that, sometimes, the majority does NOT know what's best. Yes, MOST people like it, and yes, MOST put it to good use. But, then, SOME people use it to belittle others.

Ask yourself: am I willing to sit and cry at the pain of having someone tell me the box I spend a month or two working on, finally got, and want to show off, wasn't "good enough" because "Someone Else" did part of it?

[anna Acanthus]

Well i did in fact have another word in mind but thought it more judicious to opt for "Silliness".
Snobbery and elitism in KC breeding are so obviously BS to anyone with half a brain, but those FEW so inclined will do this whatever the pretext, owner and breeder names being just one of many, if this didn't exist it'd be something else.

Anyhow, i never even ask myself "am I willing to sit and cry at the pain of having someone tell me the box I spend a month or two working on, finally got, and want to show off, wasn't "good enough because "Someone Else" did part of it ?" as i certainly wouldn't.
However, the aggressor may well end up sitting and crying if they ever tried that one on me.

To set the record straight for those who enjoy indulging in this kind of abuse, the pioneers like Thunder Rae, (for example, who bred the first full traited cat) had the financial clout to keep an army of starters but also to buy any well traited kitties that came onto the market if needed, so NO ONE can claim to have full owner pedigrees on all their kitties.
Secondo, this is what the market was and is all about, and if people didn't buy other breeders' work to develop their lines then KCs would be long since dead.

The best way to calm this kind of speculation about other people's breeding is go out and buy a load of starters, breed ONLY from these starters and see how far you get and how fast.
What, no takers ? Well just shut it then.

[Winter Phoenix]

An 'opt out' button would work for me.

You dont want anyone to know you bred the cat?

Click it to show 'someone else'.

Myself, I dont care. You think my breeding sucks?

Most of the time, so do I

But I can whip up something that looks pretty cool,

and if you can do that, and have fun doing it, then ROCK ON!

[Kayleigh McMillan]

I think it is best as it was the unneeded mysterious "Someone Else" part, is to me, highly annoying especially since I have breeding alts -.-
It is very convenient to transfer breeding pairs to other accounts in which I happen to have tasks as a nice interuption of the things I have to do in SL.
I liked the new way, how it was less than 24 hours, and I was prepared to establish my lines in my main and my obvious alt account to accomodate that and to avoid I would have been disturbed in alt accounts.
Why I would have liked it better if it was to become effective from a certain date so people with other accounts were given the time to get their stuff together.
I think also Starters are bred by nobody but they are a product of KittyCatS! And it would make sense if they were the breeder of them or they were given a Starter tag and not "Someone Else" when we buy a Special KittyCatS at the market and the seller had rezzed and therefore bred them.
That makes so no sense.
We have no catalogue shopping, thank God tbh but knowing the breeders name of a desired kitty in the pedigree would have been very convenient.
As it is now I feel is rather poor and if there are no intentions to make this "Someone Else" part to good use we better get rit of it all together I think it looks distracting from the cat we may like to buy.

[Shamu077 Resident]

(05-01-2014 04:03 AM)anna acanthus Wrote:  Also i'm pretty fed up with seeing, in my case "someone else" as the breeder even though as I show as the owner it's obvious, to most people anyhow that i was also the breeder.
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I like to be able to know which breeders have gone to all the trouble of breeding up a good line from scratch and i think they should be allowed the credit that they deserve. And it's also useful to be able to contact the breeder who may have a cat that i need.

I'd also like for potential buyers to be able to see the other breeder's names in the pedigrees of my cats in the cases where i've used other people's work, and i always have full pedigree view checked.

As for remarks about a cat not being good enough if the seller didn't breed it along the whole line, that is just plain silliness, a good cat is a good cat so you buy it to use in your lines is all.

So i say just give us owner AND breeder names please and have done with it.

I edited out a few sentences, but it's even worse that "someone else" does not list the breeder in my case - because I SELL LIVE CATS AND I SELL MY BREEDERS!

What this means is, I can have bred 8 generations back to to the original starter, and what a buyer sees is "someone else" as the breeder, AND an owner that is not me, because I sold the parents. If they contact the present owner, they will get a big DUH? from them - since they too don't have the breeder history either.

My Alt is looking at a pedigree tree now on a box for sale in my shop, that shows me as the owner for only ONE cat, the one I am selling. Yet I WAS the breeder and owner for the six other cats in the pedigree tree, and ALL the cats back to the starters. Someone who thinks breeder lineage is important might - incorrectly - assume I just bought 2 cats and am selling the offspring.

This makes me furious - and KittyCats is to blame for such useless and misleading nonsense by not listing the breeder name. If you sell LIVE cats and breeders, as I do whenever an offspring can replace a parent breeder, your past breeding work is hidden from buyers forever.

And as far as worrying that listing the breeder name will get you nasty IM's - well give me a break! You are selling a product - take responsibility for it! (re: Tad's comment. I agree with Anna completely, just so there is no misunderstanding)

Shamu

[anna Acanthus]

Excellent points Shamu.

In fact perfectly reasonable arguments for FULL pedigree view on ALL cats with owner AND breeder's names shown.
Of course i doubt very much that this would ever be implemented (and yes, before anyone jumps in about this i DO know all the arguments against) but complying to the minority's wishes over the majority's is hardly democratic is it.

Now god forbid that KCs take leaves from the Fennux book but this breedable does have full pedigree view with owner's names on site, one can trace any den or live right back to it's original starter and in the best part of a year that i bred them i never heard of anyone complaining about this.
Mind you, we were far too busy trying to get far more serious issues fixed LOL.

Whatever, the fact remains that this part of viewing the KC pedigree system isn't very satisfactory in it's present form.

[anna Acanthus]

BUMPS

** Owner AND BREEDER names please.

[Tad Carlucci]

Or just differential "Someone else" from "KittyCatS"