Faux Puff - Cobalt! NEW FUR

[Grace Winnfield]

I am absolutely having trouble getting it to pass even when paired with Shabby Tabby Midnights.

[Jolita Korobase]

(12-02-2025 11:53 AM)Grace Winnfield Wrote:  I am absolutely having trouble getting it to pass even when paired with Shabby Tabby Midnights.

Looks like you have a pure European Shorthair - Tuscan Terra, it cant hide the Cobalt.

[Sara Franco]

(12-02-2025 11:53 AM)Grace Winnfield Wrote:  I am absolutely having trouble getting it to pass even when paired with Shabby Tabby Midnights.

Are you pairing Shabby Tabby with the collection cat?
Probably just need a few tries.

[Grace Winnfield]

(12-04-2025 10:08 AM)Sara Franco Wrote:  

(12-02-2025 11:53 AM)Grace Winnfield Wrote:  I am absolutely having trouble getting it to pass even when paired with Shabby Tabby Midnights.

Are you pairing Shabby Tabby with the collection cat?
Probably just need a few tries.

Yes, and NOW I can get it I've gotten 3 now.

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(12-02-2025 05:24 PM)Jolita Korobase Wrote:  

(12-02-2025 11:53 AM)Grace Winnfield Wrote:  I am absolutely having trouble getting it to pass even when paired with Shabby Tabby Midnights.

Looks like you have a pure European Shorthair - Tuscan Terra, it cant hide the Cobalt.

I think you meant this for Sara.

[Diego Savagard]

Cobalt is Rec to Bengal Charcoal

[Grace Winnfield]

Well then by that deduction it is also recessive to Chateau Cat Black and White #3

[Sara Franco]

A proof that Faux Puff - Cobalt is dominant to European Shorthair - Tuscan Terra

[Grace Winnfield]

Okay, I'm completely lost. Hi Sara, can you help me understand this proof? It is defying my logic. I understand that the Cobalt - LemonHead likely hid the Euro shorthair Tusc Terra, but couldn't Godfrey hide the Grey & White which would be more dominant than the tuscan terra? I'm so confused about kitty breeding now. In human genetics you would need to have the non dominant pass on both sides to get it to show, but my learning is that maybe this doesn't hold true for kitties? Do they randomly choose which trait is the dominant and then if it hides a more recessive trait or not? I think your post just blew up my brain regarding breeding, after I thought i had figured it out. LOL

[Sanura Snowpaw]

(12-18-2025 08:35 PM)Grace Winnfield Wrote:  Okay, I'm completely lost. Hi Sara, can you help me understand this proof? It is defying my logic. I understand that the Cobalt - LemonHead likely hid the Euro shorthair Tusc Terra, but couldn't Godfrey hide the Grey & White which would be more dominant than the tuscan terra? I'm so confused about kitty breeding now. In human genetics you would need to have the non dominant pass on both sides to get it to show, but my learning is that maybe this doesn't hold true for kitties? Do they randomly choose which trait is the dominant and then if it hides a more recessive trait or not? I think your post just blew up my brain regarding breeding, after I thought i had figured it out. LOL

I am not Sara but I hope I can help answer your question.

The hidden trait will always be more recessive than the shown trait.

In your pedigree The Cobalt hides the Tuscan Terra and the The Scottish Fold Champagne can not hide the Grey and White as that is more dominant than the shown he hides the Shabby Tabby Midnight.

I hope this helps. If you need more help or have further questions please feel free to reach out inworld as well. Hugs <3

[Sara Franco]

Hi Grace

I suspected that my Cobalt most likely hid Tuscan Terra, but wasn't sure because I bought one of her grandparents from someone else and don't know his hidden fur, so didn't now what Fascan hid for sure.

So, I bought Godfrey because he has Scottish Fold Champagne which we know is more recessive than Tuscan Terra and could never be hiding it. This way if my Cobalt gives Tuscan Terra I can be sure it came from her and not from the partner, Godfrey.

When I put them together I had 4 possibilities:
1 - The Cobalt girl gives Faux Cobalt and Godfrey gives Scottish Fold Champagne
2- The Cobalt girl gives the hidden fur and Godfrey gives Shabby Tabby Midnight
3 - The Cobalt girl gives Faux Cobalt and Godfrey gives Scottish Fold Champagne
4 - The Cobalt girl gives the hidden fur and Godfrey gives Shabby Tabby Midnight
and the more dominant fur will show.

My Cobalt girl had already given 3 Cobalts and no hidden fur, so I expected to get the hidden fur this time.

If the kitten I got was Scottish Fold Champagne or Shabby Tabby Midnight, then I would not have proved much because these furs could have come from either side.
But I would know the hidden fur is not Tuscan Terra, because if it was and that was the most recessive fur this cobalt cat has (the hidden), then it can't let the Scottish Fold Champagne or Shabby Tabby Midnight show. It would beat them to the foreground.

But if the kitten is Tuscan Terra (and that is what happened), then it surely came from the Cobalt mother because the father can't give that according to his shown fur.
Godfrey has Scottish Fold Champagne and the only more recessive fur that was available when he was bred, was Shabby Tabby Midnight. And he is not pure Champagne because one of the parents is Shabby Tabby Midnight.
The Champagne came from the background of Jocelina. The European Shorthair Grey & White No. 1 cat was hiding Scottish Fold Champagne and passed that. The Grey & White No. 1 was lost then. Can't be on this cat.

So, since I got Tuscan Terra, then I know Cobalt was hiding Tuscan Terra, and if it can hide it, then it is dominant to it.

There are other ways to prove dominance, but I wanted a quick shortcut based on my suspicion, to give us proof that we can use these 4 furs to pull the new Cobalt fur:

European Shorthair - Tuscan Terra
Chateau Cat - Cream Puff No. 1
Scottish Fold - Champagne
Shabby Tabby - Midnight

I will start breeding my starter with dominant furs starting next week to to find out more about what is dominant to Faux Cobalt and get a pure fur eventually.
I just had to wait to have enough cats to breed before I dedicated my starter to this. Sorry it took some time.