Meditation Bliss - New Eye

[Arwen Swordthain]

(07-14-2018 05:16 AM)Ellen Ireland Wrote:  The traits page also lists an eye named Meditation Clarity - has anyone actually gotten that eye yet?

Not that we have heard so far Ellen.

[Eleanor8 Resident]

Meditation Bliss is recessive to Onyx.



Meditation Bliss - as per the first pedigree posted in this thread (also Rainbow Tiger Boy Rafer) was pulled with Soul Whisper.

[Arwen Swordthain]

There hasn't been much movement on the Meditation Bliss eye for a while so I decided to take a look at the pedigrees of the ones that are currently for sale.
Many thanks to Eleanor for allowing historical browsing of her cats.
Eleanor appears to have pulled the eye with Soul Whisper, we need to establish if Destiny Waters, the eye that replaced it as most recessive can possibly hide in the line.
Destiny Waters was discovered on 7th September 2017, 375 days ago. The Collection it was found in was released to the grid 468 days ago.

Pedigree 1 shows the Meditation Bliss


Pedigree 2 shows the mother Astolat with Soul Whisper pulled from 2 Galaxy Star parents


Next we focus on her grandparents who are the same on both sides
Grandma, this is where we see the Soul Whisper for the first time going backwards.


Grandpa, as you can see Grandpa Gino was Grandma Eletas Son


So a quick look up grandpas other side takes us beyond 375 days (I did take 3 additional screenshots that take us back beyond 468 days on this side and there was no sign of soul whisper so I haven't included them but if anyone feels they are needed for total confirmation that the line predates the collection as well as the discovery I can add them)


Ok back to Eleta. Eletas Mum Ruby hides the Soul Whisper from her Mother Faye so lets jump straight to her pedigree as we are now tracking back the Soul Whisper



Almost there Fayes fathers side is covered his parents predate the dicovery of Destiny Waters

Katies pedigree to show she hides Soul Whisper that predates the collection release 468 days ago. Therefore Fayes fathers side cannot hide anything more recessive.


Fayes mothers side, her Soul Whisper comes from her father and grandpa and Grandpa is 489 days old also predating the collection release making it impossible to hide anything more recessive than Soul Whisper.


Thanks again to Eleanor for allowing historical browsing.

I will hold off updating the charts until someone has had a chance to look at this and confirm my findings

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Just realised that Katie & Purdy are sisters so the Soul whisper in the line on both sides for Faye originates with Andy

[Barry Ballyhoo]

Meditation Bliss recessive to Exotic Journey:

[Barry Ballyhoo]

Meditation Bliss recessive to Ocean Mist:

Ramzey hides Meditation Bliss (first pedigree). Since Ocean Mist is recessive to Exotic Journey, LargeMarge must be hiding the Meditation Bliss eyes.

Ramzey


LargeMarge

[Arwen Swordthain]

Thanks Barry, great work that knocks another 2 eyes off the range

[Theodore Nacht]

Draco Nacht paired our cats and solved this eye. It's recessive to Galaxy Star, dominant to Soul Whisper. That should be its final position. Here's my proofs:



Hopefully this helps! All credit goes to Draco.

Edit: I was overexcited. Busting open the box to see if we can get the Bliss back out.

[Draco Nacht]

Silly. You looked it all up!

[Arwen Swordthain]

I'm really sorry but the baby of Anya and Kemen might actually hide Soul Whisper.
Anya has Meditation Bliss and hides Soul Whisper or better from her mother, since we know Soul Whisper is recessive to Galaxy Star its clear the Galaxy Star came from Kemen, whats not clear is which eye Anya passed. It could be either so until the hid is pulled from the baby we can't update anything.

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Can I just say for anyone else looking at the pedigrees here that they are not actually proof Kemen hides Galaxy Star. I have been looking at these for a while and its clear that Damon did not pass the only Galaxy Star shown in the pedigrees because he passed his shown eye Ocean Mist.
Its also clear the Destiny Skyline could have come from either side of the pedigree. Po likely hides it from his mother, but Kasja could also hide it.
What is clear from Kemens breed with Anya is that because she hides Soul Whisper or better Kemen must hide Galaxy Star, thats the only pedigree needed to show that. The other two pedigrees only show that Kemens Destiny Skyline was present in both sides. Galaxy Star could have come rom under either one of those Destiny Skylines in his background, but it certainly doesn't track from Damons Mother because he passed Ocean Mist. One of the Destiny Skylines, Gretel or Godric probably hid Galaxy Star. Both Po and Kasja look to hide Destiny Skyline or better from those 2 cats, Kemen shows Destiny Skyline and hides Galaxy Star so either Kasja or Po hides Galaxy Star instead of Destiny Skyline. Both cats passed their hidden eye when they produced Kemen. So what, from pedigree reading looks to be a pure Destiny Skyline is proven to hide Galaxy Star. Thats also why we can't assume Anya passed Meditation Bliss not her hidden Soul Whisper.
Sorry that was longer than intended but I just wanted to clear up the pedigrees for anyone else who got as confused as I did by their inclusion.

[Theodore Nacht]

(12-15-2018 04:22 AM)Arwen Swordthain Wrote:  I'm really sorry but the baby of Anya and Kemen might actually hide Soul Whisper.
Anya has Meditation Bliss and hides Soul Whisper or better from her mother, since we know Soul Whisper is recessive to Galaxy Star its clear the Galaxy Star came from Kemen, whats not clear is which eye Anya passed. It could be either so until the hid is pulled from the baby we can't update anything.

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Can I just say for anyone else looking at the pedigrees here that they are not actually proof Kemen hides Galaxy Star. I have been looking at these for a while and its clear that Damon did not pass the only Galaxy Star shown in the pedigrees because he passed his shown eye Ocean Mist.
Its also clear the Destiny Skyline could have come from either side of the pedigree. Po likely hides it from his mother, but Kasja could also hide it.
What is clear from Kemens breed with Anya is that because she hides Soul Whisper or better Kemen must hide Galaxy Star, thats the only pedigree needed to show that. The other two pedigrees only show that Kemens Destiny Skyline was present in both sides. Galaxy Star could have come rom under either one of those Destiny Skylines in his background, but it certainly doesn't track from Damons Mother because he passed Ocean Mist. One of the Destiny Skylines, Gretel or Godric probably hid Galaxy Star. Both Po and Kasja look to hide Destiny Skyline or better from those 2 cats, Kemen shows Destiny Skyline and hides Galaxy Star so either Kasja or Po hides Galaxy Star instead of Destiny Skyline. Both cats passed their hidden eye when they produced Kemen. So what, from pedigree reading looks to be a pure Destiny Skyline is proven to hide Galaxy Star. Thats also why we can't assume Anya passed Meditation Bliss not her hidden Soul Whisper.
Sorry that was longer than intended but I just wanted to clear up the pedigrees for anyone else who got as confused as I did by their inclusion.

You make a good point! I was way too excited. I should open that box and see what it tells us.