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Arwen Swordthain · 08-12-2017, 02:31 PM

We do need that one Smile

congrats on getting it.

(08-11-2017 07:01 PM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote: do we need this one?

Flame III is dominant to Diamond V

Mom shows Flame III
Dad shows Toyger Tan
Baby shows Diamond V

Arwen Swordthain · (This post was last modified: 08-19-2017 04:48 AM by Arwen Swordthain.)

Genesis - Domino IV is Dominant to Genesis Coco V

Nectar is a Genesis - Coco V he bred with Younique a Genesis - Domino III hiding Genesis Domino IV (see pedigree earlier in thread)
Their baby was Barclay a Genesis - Domino IV
Barclay bred with Apollonia an Abyssinian - Creme and produced this baby a Genesis - Coco V.
Since Abyssinian Creme is recessive to all Genesis furs we know it was Barclays hidden.

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This pushes all the Genesis V furs lower so I'll run the Coco V against Flame III next unless someone already is.

On the Domino IV/Flame III confirmation proof, the first offspring to show genesis showed Flame III but today passed Burmese Sable which I was glad about so am popping the 2nd which was a Domino IV with any luck that will pass Flame III and we will know for sure Smile

Addionally the Smokey IV/Flame V confirmation I'm running gave a Smokey IV as hoped so she open and growing.
Bandit II / Patch, first Bandit II passed a normal fur second breeds on Monday, I have a Patch baby from the pairing as well that I'll pop if this Bandit II doesn't hide Patch.

Aramis Gontineac · 08-26-2017, 08:01 PM

Aramis Gontineac · 09-03-2017, 08:37 PM

Olivia 10 shows SMO 2 and hides FLA 4
http://grabilla.com/0761b-b00993ab-ff97-...33b9b.html
Olivia 10-07 shows DOM 2 and hides FLA 4
http://grabilla.com/07904-36e38562-aa16-...09ac10.png
As Olivia 10 shown fur SMO 2 is dominant to DOM 2, Olivia 10-07 can only hide FLA 4.
CQFD

Arwen Swordthain · 09-04-2017, 04:15 AM

When viewing you need to change the html in the first link to png to be able to see the picture. (changed it in my reply so hopefully it will work)
Thanks for these Aramis, not sure without looking back if we had this particular proof before or if we have Flame IV as rec to Smokey II because Diamond IV is and Diamond IV is dom to FLame IV.

I think Ivys graphic is pretty up to date though so it might be worth double checking you aren't repeating tests already proven. Pointless wasting kibble on completed tests, expensive as well Smile

(09-03-2017 08:37 PM)Aramis Gontineac Wrote: Olivia 10 shows SMO 2 and hides FLA 4
http://grabilla.com/0761b-b00993ab-ff97-...933b9b.png
Olivia 10-07 shows DOM 2 and hides FLA 4
http://grabilla.com/07904-36e38562-aa16-...09ac10.png
As Olivia 10 shown fur SMO 2 is dominant to DOM 2, Olivia 10-07 can only hide FLA 4.
CQFD

Ivy Norsk · 09-06-2017, 04:26 PM

Hi there, through a series of adventures good and bad I have been absent from SL for about 3 weeks. During that time my cats struggled on without me. When I came back I found a great number of boxes, some cats under blankets, and up at Saga Project, the cats provided me with 2 proofs.

The first one is Diamond 5 < Coco 2, which is not exciting but places a marker where I don't think we had one before.

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Purrsius Diamond 5 was mates with Mirai Coco2 and they produced an offspring HydePark which shows the Coco 2. When mated with the Maizie Moo (whose Black and White #1 fur is recessive to any genesis fur), she pulls the hidden Diamond 5 from HydePark.

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The next proof is really exciting and one I've been working on for MONTHS with reluctant felines.
Ginger 1 > Domino 5 (!!!!!)

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I mated Junbug (showing Domino 5) with Galway (showing Ginger 1) and they produced an offspring Cochava showing the Ginger 1. When I mated Cochava with an aby dark chocolate (Howard), this pulls the hidden fur on the kitten.

This is terribly important because Ginger 1 is the most recessive of the Genesis 2016 furs and it means that all of the Genesis 2016 furs stack on top of Domino 5. In effect it causes the entire 2016 column to slide neatly into place.

I will update my chart pronto and try to gather proofs by others from this thread onto that chart as well.

Arwen Swordthain · 09-07-2017, 04:15 AM

Thats great Ivy, the Diamond V pops that a bit lower than we previously had so is helpful. The Ginger I Domino V is epic as it places all the Gen 6 furs between Patch II and Domino V, now if I could just get a result on Bandit II that end of the table would be finished Smile

I have added the placement info to the Forum Based Charts. Smile

Ivy Norsk · 09-07-2017, 07:51 AM

Here's an updated chart.
It reflects the following proofs. Kayla did the Diamond 5 < Flame 3 but then this was superceeded by my Diamond 5 < Coco 2. Arwen (and also Aramis btw) did Domino 4 > Coco 5. I did Ginger 1 > Domino 5. And Aramis also submitted Domino 2 > Flame 4.
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If anybody sees any omissions let me know.
Another proof or two and I'll start breaking up the 2014 and 2015 columns.

Aramis Gontineac · 09-07-2017, 12:21 PM

(09-04-2017 04:15 AM)Arwen Swordthain Wrote: When viewing you need to change the html in the first link to png to be able to see the picture. (changed it in my reply so hopefully it will work)
Thanks for these Aramis, not sure without looking back if we had this particular proof before or if we have Flame IV as rec to Smokey II because Diamond IV is and Diamond IV is dom to FLame IV.

I think Ivys graphic is pretty up to date though so it might be worth double checking you aren't repeating tests already proven. Pointless wasting kibble on completed tests, expensive as well

Hi Arwen,

First of all, thx for the png trick, i will use it for the forthcoming proofs.

About ongoing tests :
Ivy's testing spot is next to mine at Saga's testing spots, and we are collaborating on tests to avoid double testing the same relationships between gen furs and therefore not wasting cats and food.

About charts:
Mine is my own working chart and of course i keep it updated for the same reasons as above. The difference between Ivy's and mine is that mine is more graphic, showing with black arrows the already prooven relationships. I also use it to add colored arrows showing my own ongoing tests and planify which kind of cats i will need for further tests (e.g. produce kitten with specific hiden genesis furs). This chart is available on my OneDrive and also at Saga's testing spots.

Breeding method information:
I track record absolutely all my living cats and boxes in a hudge Excel database. Sample of that database provided on my OneDrive, same link as the charts. I also keep pictures of the full pedigree (parents and kitten) of every cat i used for breeding. Being able so to provide pedigrees of all generations above a living cat, this until the first starter or bought cat used. Those pictures and the database allow me to say for every trait (shown or hiden) which cat transmitted it and the ranking of the trait (explanations about my breeding and track record method provided in the database sample).
Of course, if anyone wants to get more info about one of the proofs given in my list, i gladly will provide the missing info. Simply send me a notecard inworld saying which proof is concerned and what kind of info you should need.
Best regards,
Aramis Gontineac

Arwen Swordthain · 09-07-2017, 03:54 PM

Thanks for the clarification Aramis, I had not noticed the two proofs were part of one proof. RL stress and extreme lack of sleep to blame at least a little for that.
The first lot you posted, I confess to not having looked at because quite simply, for the reasons already stated, the sheer number overwhelmed me.