Pricing of kitties after the mother of all updates

[Tad Carlucci]

Breeding will speed up a bit, but probably not twice as fast. If we were all randomly breeding (we're not but forget that) the mean increase in breeding speed would be 125% of previous speed. In actual fact, it will probably be a lot closer to 100% than that.

I didn't see any announcement of "2D Cat" for the low-prim mode on live cats. Charm just found it. It's a 2-prim, flat image of a live cat. That will certainly increase the number of cats we see at current markets .. assuming "2D" cats sell .. they may put off customers .. we'll have to wait and see. That increase in stock offered for sale could negatively impact prices, but I don't think it'll be all that much.

One thing which I find interesting about market discussions is the tendency to "project" ones own behavior, and the tendency to make false inferences. By that, I mean, for example, false syllogisms such as "I don't breed Red Tabby, therefore nobody wants Red Tabby" and "I saw a spam offering Seal Lynx last week for 250,000L$, and another this week offering one for 50L$, therefore prices have crashed".

[Rayne Morningstar]

so here is my thoughts about the 2D cats. I will not breed with 2D cats I am sorry I want a cat I want the shape of a cat and all that. I am not hurting for space because I have a 1/3 of a sim for all of my fun and family. But I see at a shop a 2D cat can be useful and everything. and I am sure that most of my buys that I will be doing will be ok buying a 2D cat because I know what the fur looks like. But when I get that new baby home I will be setting back to 3D because that is what I like.

Now for the cost on the picture boxes with gender.. I don't know about everywhere else but I can tell you this. People have been in general buying live cats only to get that breed, sex and traits they want so yes I can see box kitties going quicker. but at the same time they will be in that waiting time. I still think that Kitty Cats should change the breeding from 120 days to 113 days and kittys start gaining love at day 1. or when they turn to 7Days Old they are at 100% love. No this does not flood the market no this does not put more kitties out there. People do not keep kitties for 120 days, most breeders keep them to oh 60 or 80 days.. my guess that is to get X number of boxes so they can either back breed to get a trait or get siblings to breed. that time will be cut down because we can tell if we get that one boy and one girl that we need with that one shown trait. once that happens bye bye kitty thank you for your help go pay with all the other kitties in the Managrie. anyways.. just my thoughts.

[Sanura Snowpaw]

I don't see this really hurting the market in the least, I'll still go out shopping for partners and traits I want but now I will also be willing to look at boxes not just lives, it will help me by not having to open 3-6 boxes just to get a breeding pair of siblings. When I am mid project I don't sell what is part of that project simply because it is mine and I want to complete it before I share so when I would get the wrong sex I would pick them up and store them in my inventory or if I was upset enough I would many times menagerie the entire project.

Also for those who are new to the market the photos will be HUGE because they don't know what every cat is and looks like or every eye color or trait. Now they don't have to try to put words with a look they can visibly see them.

I doubt I will ever use the 2D cats myself but I think they are a nice OPTION! Which is what is so amazing about this update there are so MANY options for so many of us!

[Kayleigh McMillan]

I would not use the 2D option either for live cats it is nice it is possible though
And I think this update will give a positive boost on the market as well.
I think though on top of that make the kitties breed at 7 days might not be a good idea.

[Serena Stroikavskoi]

I think it'll have a good impact on the market. Now you can plan a 'breeding pair' so no more guess work there. The ones you don't want or gender you can't use can be on the market for all the people that are going to be shopping because they just discovered they don't have a complete breeding pair and need to get the other half.

We'll also now be able to tell that maybe some of our kitties are more prone to throw boys vs girls and it may be time for a swap or to sell a live cat. On reputable breeders that will be a plus as from the chats we always seem to have that 7 boxes and they where all girls. If they are out of the same pair or cat, we know to pair with one that has mostly to opposite gender.

I think it's an awesome update and long overdue. I also think the market will be better for it.

[Saga Felix]

(07-16-2012 09:47 AM)Frontline Resident Wrote:  This update takes all the fun or need out for opening boxes.....

You can just leave your boxes as boxes, then you won't know the gender. Simple :-)

(07-16-2012 09:47 AM)Frontline Resident Wrote:  ...no one makes any money off kats or breedables in sl at all its more for fun and that is gone...

We all have different approaches to cats & breedables - but please do remember that other people's approach might differ to yours. Your use of "no one" irks me I must admit - just as when people claim "everyone thinks like me" or "no one else does that either".

Yes, there are people who live of breedables - market-owners, auctioneers and major breeders - and people who earn millions of lindens on them, and many others who at least makes the food cost + a lil' extra now and then. -For most of these people, KittyCatS are BOTH fun and hard business - and my guess is that most won't find that the fun is now gone due to this update, as you claim. On the contrary.

However, I won't claim that "everyone" or "no one" thinks anything. I will, however, claim that I think this update pleases most people very much - and I sure know it pleases me! We have been begging for gender on boxes for over a year now - look back in the forum if you like - and now it's finally here. It is a grand day for KittyCatS <3

[Kayleigh McMillan]

I love the update while I realize for some people this appearantly has ruined the fun I feel sorry for these people and this shows once again how impossible it is for KittyCatS to make and keep us all happy.
I sincerely hope time will bring joy, maybe in an other way, in KittyCatS again for those who are sad about this.
And the lovely community we have stays lucky enough the same, what ever happens, nothing can change that!
To me it is an absolute stunning update I wanted for so long so I'm heavily happy
Ofcourse I hoped though it would have made us all happy ...

[Mirsoul Resident]

This last update was a huge step for Kittycats. And while I applaud it, I know there are those that do not like or appreciate it. There are options here. Don't want to know the gender, well then don't switch to image. Don't want or need to use the 2D option, thats all right, but there are those that will make use of it. Kittycats can't make everyone happy, but I do believe this is an update that hopefully has created a happy medium.

All markets, real or virtual, change and move. And as more people become involved with the breedables, we need to change and move as well. Offering our customers (and each other) a way to optimize our sales is a plus. It keeps the market moving, and keeps breeders already established interested and excited. This type of update will also draw in new breeders and/or new customers. As someone has already stated, with a picture it is much easier to decide what you like and what you don't.

As far as making lindens; well most of us probably fall into the break even category. Some will be in the profit group and then there will always be those that sell, sell and sell for profit. For me, if I can make enough to support my land and interests, that is great If I turn a profit, it usually goes right back into SL anyway...lol...thus keeping the in world economy going. And if I am lucky enough to cash out lindens...Hoorah! Doesn't really matter at all as long as I enjoy what i am doing

[GhostCollective Resident]

I for one have to say I love the update, and am so glad to see so many people in the markets using the new options. I used to only buy live cats b/c that was the only way I could be sure of the gender. Now many markets are displaying the gender of the box which is good to be able to see how certain eyes work with certain furs, which for me is very important in my decision process. It is nice to be able to buy a box with confidence and it will help many who have large collection of boxes but were too afraid to open them. I was even able to help out my boyfriend who needed a few cats, i found I had extra of a fur in one gender and so now we both have one. Everyone has the right to their opinion, they should however be cautious not to assume others think as they do. Me personally I enjoy the options avaiable, as for how others feel thats up to them to decide. Thank you again KittyCats team for all your hard work and patience.

[Sara Franco]

I love the update! especially the gender part and I don't think it takes away the fun, the gender is still a surprise because you can't choose the gender so knowing it before birthing the kitty doesn't change that, it only makes it easier to plan breeding and saves us opening many wrong boxes.

I think it will affect the market positively in general, because there will be less frustrated breeders, After the update I got so excited and birthed some boxes I kept unbirthed for long because I was afraid of the wrong gender.

There will be no getting rid of live kitties because they have wrong gender anymore, because you can keep them boxed till you get them a partner or can sell them without rushing and lowering prices because you don't feed boxes.

I think people would still like a live kitty that's ready or almost ready to mate, but they won't dread buying boxes anymore too so both will have better sales in my opinion. And I guess fire sales will be less too.

For shops and stalls rentals, I don't think many would use the 2D option to sell so I don't think it would affect Kittycats markets much, but that's just my opinion.

and I agree that the 14 days to gain love will keep the value of live cats, I would want that if we didn't know the gender but having both together would be bad for live kitties.

Sorry for the long comment and I wish you all are enjoying the update!