KittyCatS Love & Frustration

[TerrorMisu Resident]

just for fun....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYCZAK7vJlA

[Minx Diabolito]

Just to go back to what was being said about reviews on marketplace before the 'troll' appeared!
I see my reviews still there and was careful what I wrote making no personal insult or attack and did not mention torgons either. All I said was the truth. Although I did not purchase from MP I was able to 'piggyback' as terror suggested on the comment of someone else. I did for the first comment appearing, think you have to be signed in to see those. Worth a read is also the review for fennux profiler, owner type!

[TerrorMisu Resident]

Mine is still there too! Good job, minx!

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Brilliant! lol

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And he isn't the only one ! lol That's a thing, connect your 'alts' to your current avi! lol

I thought I saw a reply to all the links of ALL "his" indiscretions, or did I just dream that up? lol

[TerrorMisu Resident]

Oh, I want a vendor! lol

[Minx Diabolito]

Terror if you just ask Torgon he will give you one I think. That's what I did to get mine =)

[Coverboytoy Resident]

My goodness this thread was indeed very entertaining to say the least. When I started breeding, I never knew the reason and functionality of profilers. To say the least, as a fairly new breeder, they have their pros and cons. As I got familiar with them and understood their purpose, I didn't understand why Rene's profilers never get updated, and it would piss me off because how the F am I supposed to properly give a good reading when you see "unknown" all over the profilers? It's Fing annoying to say the least. If you are a business owner who cannot update your products in a timely manner, they why would a consumer waste their time and money on that product? It's basic common economics, which to me I find baffling because there are so many options that Rene could have done to make his profilers better, but he chooses not to, so he made his bed, and now he has to sleep on it.

Rene, this message is for you: If you want to talk the talk, and walk the walk, allocate your energies to making your product better, oppose to trolling and harassing your current/potential customers. Finally, please see a therapist/psychologist in real life because you do know that they make pills now for you which will chase that cray cray away right? Seriously, please take care of your mental health buddy. I would hate to see you in an mental hospital wasting away if you don't take care it now. Remember prevention is protection so see a psychologist/therapist soon.

[RavenLuna Starsider]

Following is Rene Marseille telling me that his profiler had been stolen by another. This Rene person contacted me and after our conversation he locked me out of using his profilers which I legally bought and paid for. I did file and abuse ticket with Secondlife and waiting to hear from them. I really want my money back after a conversation with this nasty spiteful person. I hope it goes my way.

Rene Marseille: no no
Rene Marseille: I mean you pasted the wrong message
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): not a problem
Rene Marseille: so I think I saw that you support a guy who copied my profilers including the name, I just don't like to see them in your store, that's all
Rene Marseille: and I hope you understand that
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): I don't understand please tell me what you are talking about?
Rene Marseille: you have my kittycats profilers
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): okay
Rene Marseille: ok
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): the one I paid for?
Rene Marseille: ok, well I think you get what I mean
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): are you talking about Torgon?
Rene Marseille: and I have no time for games really
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): you contacted me I didn't contact you and please don't put me in the middle of your own drama for I had no clue he may have copied your profilers
Rene Marseille: ok
Rene Marseille: well it would be nice if you wouldn't support him
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): I am using both profilers to further advertise the sell of my kittens that is the only reason I use them
Rene Marseille: it's unfair to people who follow the rules, and you don't really need both
Rene Marseille: ok?
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): I will use both since I had to pay for them, I use both websites and I do believe it is unfair that you even ask me that not even knowing you have issues with the maker of said profilers. I would appreciate you handle your business with sl once they make a decision then let me know
Rene Marseille: no I will not handle my business with sl, you follow the tos, period
Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): bye bye
Rene Marseille: bye

2018-01-10 10:17:13 e50052cd Destination: Rene Marseille
Payment
Region: Bankville
Description: Vendor: RM's KittyCatS Profiler (Owner) L$1500 L$99

Trouble (ravenluna.starsider): JUst for your info, I am sure you locked me out of using your profiler, I have sent a abuse report supporting my claim to sl. I paid for your profiler and for torgon's and cannot believe you tried to draw me into your drama

[Minx Diabolito]

Sorry this happened to you hun =/

This behavior is beyond controlling. Please people wake up to this. It's going on all the time.

It is constantly going on and is not alright to have somebody like this around.

Well done to paste the log here to show clearly what happens and that he is not fair and a bully. It is all lies that he says he is fair or reasonable. He's not whatsoever! He never was for over a year for different reasons.

Nothing is fair about this especially when it is the same conversation leading to ban with a lot of people just because they won't get dictated to and bullied. Who cares what he wants to see in your store or those of others, it is none of his darned business.

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PS. look here at post #15 but it's only one example of a lot I have seen, similar. Same kind of bullying conversation, threat and ban. Everytime.
https://kittycats.ws/forum/showthread.php?tid=28306&page=2

[Tad Carlucci]

The fact you paid for it, or how much you paid, is immaterial. Like most merchants he has a no-refunds policy stated, so he never owes a refund.

He is not violating the Linden Labs and Marketplace Term of Service or other policies by denying your use of his web site. Linden Labs does not require him to keep is website operational forever, or to be available to every past purchaser. Marketplace rules simply require that it work as advertised at the time it is sold,

It is apparent from the above conversation that he is well aware that he cannot name Torgon. He's rightly accusing you of "playing games" because you're trying to get him to specifically name who or what product he is insisting you not use. That would be a clear violation and he would lose his Marketplace store and, possibly his Second Life account.

He thinks he's smarter than you.

But he does not need to name it. The only possible person he is talking about is Torgon and the only possible product is his profiler.

The only thing you (all of you) can do is:

* keep your cool, don't get angry or call him names

* drop the talk about payment, it does not matter

* keep insisting that he specify the person or products

* specifically ask him to be clear: he wants you to stop using someone else's product

* ask him for his ToS URL

* quote the line and ask if that's what he's talking about

* include your unedited chat log in your Abuse complaint

* explain that even though his is not naming names, it is clear he is attempting to force people to not use a competitors product

Do not expect any given Abuse Report to succeed. What is needed is a continuing series of rational complaints about him. Eventually one of two things will happen: either Linden Labs will see there is a problem and move to stop it, or he'll have chased enough people away he can no longer remain in business.

If you have not done so, and you purchased his product on the Marketplace, you should file a clear, calm, rational 1-star review which explains what he is doing without attacking him or naming Torgon or his product. You're simply warning people that he is capricious, harasses his customers, and will discontinue your use of his product if you mute him, ban him, or do anything else he does not like.

If he really had a complaint he could enforce about Torgon or his product, he would file a DMCA take-down request. He does not, and filing a false complaint would open him to personal liability. Similarly, he has no rights to the name. Torgon is not selling "RM's Kittycats Profiler" he does not own "Kittycats" and the term profiler it too generic, so he would be unable to obtain and defend a trademark.

The man who really has a cause of action is Torgon. He could get a lawyer to issue a cease-and-desist letter and take Rene to court if he fails to cease activities such as above. You could help him by keeping your chat logs so he would have evidence should he do so. But, unless he asks, don't offer them or send them! Torgon would almost certainly prevail in court. At that point, Torgon simply need have the court order Linden Labs to close RM's Marketplace shop and remove his account and, by their ToS, they will do so.

This mess has gone on long enough that, perhaps, it's time for Torgon to consider taking legal action and, maybe, set up a GoFundMe campaign to help defray his expenses (since it's unlikely he's making anywhere near enough money to handle it alone).

It occurs to me Kittycats also might have a cause of action. Its their brand name and his activities are degrading its value and depressing their trade. That's a bit harder to show, but it's possible.

The only other action I could see is for Kittycats to declare his web scraping an abuse and potentially degrading the good operation of their web site and blocking his access. That would effectively render his product unusable. While fairness might indicate they should stop Torgon's scraping as well, they don't really need to be 'fair' by stopping all scraping. It's their web site and they can deny anyone they choose; just like RM is doing.

(something-something about sauces, geese and ganders)

[Eleanor8 Resident]

(01-25-2018 10:45 PM)Tad Carlucci Wrote:  It is apparent from the above conversation that he is well aware that he cannot name Torgon. He's rightly accusing you of "playing games" because you're trying to get him to specifically name who or what product he is insisting you not use. That would be a clear violation and he would lose his Marketplace store and, possibly his Second Life account.

Really?

This is the final bit of my conversation with Rene on the 15th January - when he told me to choose which profiler I would use.

[13:29] Rene Marseille: I just want your answer which profiler you want to use, and I need to log off
[13:29] Eleanor Alias: i will use the one that doesn't try to bully me to into choosing which to use
[13:29] Rene Marseille: ok
[13:29] Rene Marseille: up to you
[13:29] Eleanor Alias: so, i will go and remove yours
[13:30] Eleanor Alias: well, you are leaving me with no option
[13:30] Rene Marseille: at the end, you can use only one anyway
[13:30] Eleanor Alias: how so?
[13:30] Rene Marseille: whatever your decision is, you can only use one
[13:30] Rene Marseille: either torgon or mine
[13:30] Eleanor Alias: Torgon doesn't have a problem with anyone using yours as well as his
[13:31] Rene Marseille: yes but I do
[13:31] Rene Marseille: so if you choose his you can't use mine
[13:31] Rene Marseille: get it?
[13:31] Eleanor Alias: well, then i guess then it's no choice at all
[13:31] Eleanor Alias: i remove yours
[13:31] Rene Marseille: ok thanks
[13:32] Rene Marseille: bye
[13:32] Eleanor Alias: bye

Tad, thanks for the advice on posting an abuse report. I'll try and get that done tomorrow.