Welcome Patti! I would add one more thing just to make sure everything is crystal clear ( and hopefully not end up confusing you even more). You are totally right that with a bred out kitty, unlike a starter, whatever is hidden is from the pedigree and not just a random trait. It is important to remember, however, that all the kitties in the pedigree have their hiddens as well so something could come down the line, staying hidden, then pop out like your red and white tabby. This is probably one of the most fun parts, you are breeding along with your nice little kitties then *bam* all of a sudden one of them throws a trait you had no idea was even a possibility! so exciting!