the 3 spot is not a tortie, a tortie has no white on it at all, it is black and orange spotted the orange tends to be very dark.
Also the chat b/w 3 i would not consider a tuxedo cat as it should have no white on it's face to be a true tux kitty, It would be the same with an all black face ^.^. lol i may have to take some RL photos of my kitties to show everyone what i mean
