New Opaline eyes - recessives

[Brunabug Nightfire]

Thanks Kayla.
But the reason I am asking is you can't go by release dates. There was an issue that happened a few years back when Wendi and Charles took over the charts from Liriel and a fur that was discovered was assumed to have been released with a certain collection, when in reality it had been released in the collection before but was never actually discovered or shown up on any cats tell the next release. So even though we are pretty sure that certain traits are new in releases we can't be 100% sure tell we breed OS to prove that a trait is actually hiding. This is why a lot of the proofs sent into to SAGA are not exce because it goes by assumptions. It has to be shown not assumed. They need to actually see it. And the only way to actually see something is to open up OS and breed them to more recessive traits to allow the hidden trait to show (because the hidden is more dominant).

I am just making this statement so that every one understands why SAGA charts are slower at getting things posted. It is because they are checking and double checking...they don't want to have to go back a year or even months later and make corrections.

It is always a good thing to open up an OS and breed it out to actually see the truth of what is hiding behind the kitty. Traits can be hiding for generations and generations.

~-BreeAnn

(12-12-2016 06:51 PM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote:  Looking at your questions, BreeAnn, I think you are not looking at release dates. A lot of people don't but it's important when looking at new traits or even fairly new traits like Galaxy Star. Sorry this is long-winded but I tend to be that way and it's a good teaching opportunity as many people forget to look at dates.

Opaline was released with the Halloween cats as no new trait releases during the summer.
I believe the release date when people could first get Halloweenn cats was October 10, 2016.
Fabao discovered the Opaline on 12/6/2016.
This chart is the discovery chart so that kittybox was birthed on 12/6/2016
The age of the dad's parents are ages 160 days and 168 days.

I often use this site to do calendar count backs
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html
Subtracting 160 days from 12/6/2016 gives us the birthdate of the dad Nugget as 6/29/2016. Mom's is earlier.
Therefore Opaline could not come from Kurt the dad because his parent's have no possibility of coming from a Halloween starter.
Also Kurt cannot hide anything more recessive than Galaxy Star becasue in June 2016 nothing was more recessive than Galaxy Star so it is an automatic pure. The one eye known to be recessive to Galaxy Star was discovered in November 2016 with the Halloween release so it is not in play.

Therefore
Mom Ambra, Halloween Starter, gen evergreen shown
Dad Kurt, Galaxy Star shown and hid
Baby Opaline shown proving Opaline is Mom's hid and that it is dominant to Galaxy Star.

We have proven Mom's hid is Opaline

Next chart
Mom Ambra, Hallowee Starter, gen evergreen shown, Opaline hid
Dad Remy Exotic Journey shown
Baby shows Exotic Journey. Baby cannot hide genesis evergeen so therefore must hide Opaline. Therefore Opaline is recessive to Exotic Journey.

So Opaline has to be between Exotic Journey and Galaxy Star. The testing range is

proven recessive to Exotic Journey
Galaxy Burst
proven dominant to Galaxy Star

Only needs to be tested against Galaxy Burst to be placed

Dates when things are introduced are a factor when placing new traits.

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Thanks Arwen,
I really look forward to seeing the hiddens on both these cats, so that I can pass this information on to Wendi and Charles and we can get this new eye listed on the Charts for breeders. I do believe that this is true..but again they need to actually see it.
Appreciate your help.
~BreeAnn

(12-13-2016 01:53 AM)Arwen Swordthain Wrote:  Not Yet BreeAnn Harvey isn't old enough yet and I would need to check with Fabao regarding the results he has had from Randi. Rest assured when he gets further results to aid in placing this eye fullythey will be posted here.

(12-12-2016 04:46 PM)Brunabug Nightfire Wrote:  Just checking to find out if the cat Harvey showing the Opaline eye was tested to see if Galaxy Star is hidden eye?
Also Checking if Randi the cat showing Exotic Journey has been tested to prove to be hiding the Opaline eyes.
Thanks~BreeAnn

(12-06-2016 10:43 AM)Arwen Swordthain Wrote:  Congrats Fabao.I knew that cat was hiding something.
And for you eager beavers out there here, with Fabaos permission, is a pic of the cat and pedigrees proving its dominant to Galaxy Star and recessive to Exotic Journey.



Dominant to Galaxy Star
Mum is a starter, Dad has Galaxy Star, the line predates Soul Whisper so the Galaxy Star is pure as it was the most recessive eye at that time.
Baby shows NEW OPALINE eye which must be dominant to Galaxy Star.



Recessive to Exotic Journey
Mum is a starter , dad has exotic journey.
Baby has Exotic Journey so mum hides exotic journey or something more recessive



Just Galaxy Burst to go and its placed.
Fantastic work as always Fabao