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Can this eye be pulled?
03-30-2025, 11:33 AM (This post was last modified: 03-30-2025 12:22 PM by Candi Roecastle.)
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Can this eye be pulled?
Hello fellow kitty breeders,

I am having trouble pulling this eye, Crimson. I am only just starting to understand the dominant recessive game of traits, i guess you can say lol. From what I understand, Magic Kiss has been quite dominant in this chain of genetics and has dominated quite a lot of traits I have bred even tho it's a recessive eye in general and to Crimson. Is there possibly anyway I can pull Crimson from this pool or is it really a loss? I am trying to understand if I need to breed Malek against a more dominant eye or recessive to Magic Kiss. Any advice is welcomed. Thank you so much!


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03-30-2025, 02:09 PM
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RE: Can this eye be pulled?
Yes, but when you pair a hidden recessive (in this case Magic Kiss) with another more dominant recessive (like Brushed Steel) you are forcing the pull from the father. You will pull one of the eyes from the father (Crimson or Magic Kiss) and hide the even more recessive eye from the mother (Brushed Steel). The luck of the pull seems to be doing Magic Kiss hiding Brushed Steel which is unfortunate, but a Crimson baby hiding the Brushed Steel could just as easily happen.

When Crimson is fully placed on the dominant charts it'll be easier to figure pairings based on that, but whatever you pair the Crimson with as of now will have the capability to hide a decent amount of the fairly "dominant feeling" recessives which will remain in the line depending on what you actually breed behind it. In the new line if Malek is successful, the baby will be showing Crimson and hiding Brushed Steel. You can only go so recessive though... so even at that choice you need to ask if you want to go.. more recessive behind it like a Faded Flower, Deep Dive etc... or put something else behind it in that line.
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03-30-2025, 04:58 PM
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RE: Can this eye be pulled?
It would depend if you are wanting the Crimson to be as an only eye trait. You can look at Cadbury Love to see if any offspring is showing a more dominant eye, which would indicate the hidden is Crimson. By "backbreeding" the offspring showing a more dominant then breed to Cadbury Love would ensure both the hidden and shown eye is the same therefore a pure Crimson eye.

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Yesterday, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: Yesterday 01:34 PM by Phil Metalhead.)
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RE: Can this eye be pulled?
If you want to get Crimson, you'll want to breed Malek with a cat that's showing something no more dominant than Magic Kiss, as that's the most dominant eye that's (currently) known to be recessive to Crimson. He's showing Crimson so any of his offspring have a 50/50 chance of getting it. By pairing him with a mate that's got Magic Kiss or more recessive, you'll know whether he passed it: if he did, it'll show on the kitten, if he didn't, you'll see either his hider (which looks like maybe Brushed Steel?) or the mom's eye.

If you pair him with a mate that has an eye dominant to Magic Kiss, you could end up with a kitten that shows the mom's eye, and you won't know whether it hides the Crimson or Brushed Steel.

Remember, "dominance" is a specific term that indicates a trait's order on the dominance charts. Traits further up on the charts (lower row numbers) are dominant to traits below them on the charts (higher row numbers). For example, Magic Kiss (row 208) is dominant to Brushed Steel (row 210). This means that if one parent passes Magic Kiss and one parent passes Brushed Steel, the kitten will show Magic Kiss, and hide Brushed Steel. All cats (except Confettis, which get really weird) only carry two of each trait; their dominant/showing trait, and their recessive/hidden trait.

This means if Malek breeds with a cat showing Faded Flower (row 211) and the kitten shows Brushed Steel, the kitten is Brushed Steel hiding Faded Flower (or if mom's hiding something more recessive like Deep Dive, the kitten could hide that instead!), and the Crimson is gone. Of course you can always re-pair him with the same mate; there's always a chance he'll pass the Crimson, and it will always show on the kitten if he passed it because a mom showing Faded Flower can't pass anything that's dominant to Crimson.
(03-30-2025 04:58 PM)Serena Stroikavskoi Wrote:  It would depend if you are wanting the Crimson to be as an only eye trait. You can look at Cadbury Love to see if any offspring is showing a more dominant eye, which would indicate the hidden is Crimson. By "backbreeding" the offspring showing a more dominant then breed to Cadbury Love would ensure both the hidden and shown eye is the same therefore a pure Crimson eye.

Yes, this is how you make "pure"-traited cats. First you have to know a cat is hiding the desired trait (in this case since Cadbury Love is a starter, his showing trait is Genesis Evergreen so we know Crimson is his hider). Since Genesis traits are the most dominant, any of his offspring that show a non-Genesis eye must necessarily hide Crimson (because if he passed Genesis it'd show).

Backbreeding such a cat to him will have a low chance (about 25%, or one in four breeds) of producing a showing Crimson eye... a kitten showing Genesis Evergreen is probably menagerie-worthy as you won't know whether it hides mom's hidden Crimson or her showing eye... but if the kitten shows mom's showing eye, that means Cadbury passed Crimson, so you've made another hider. If the kitten shows Crimson though, it had to have gotten Crimson from both mom and dad, so both its "eye" traits are Crimson and thus it's "pure".

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Yesterday, 01:37 PM (This post was last modified: Yesterday 01:52 PM by Candi Roecastle.)
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RE: Can this eye be pulled?
This has been extremely helpful information! Thank you to all for taking the time to explain it all to me. I feel more confident in my breeding and hope to improve.
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