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Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - FantasyStorm4s Resident - 02-23-2020 03:49 PM
Hello, I am quite new to the forum and with this being my first post sorry for any mistakes.
Anyway I would love some tips to breeding and/ or breeding for traits. I was breeding the same cats until they aged out, I wanted a kitten to have the non genesis traits from each parent, the male had Mysterious ears*, and the female had Dreamy whiskers*, Abyssinian - cream fur* and Malachite eyes*
they also had hidden traits, Blond streaked (for whiskers)*, Scotty fold ears*, and tapestry allure eyes*,
![[Image: PedigreeShanandOsmo.png]](http://This PC/Pictures/PedigreeShanandOsmo.png)
both of them have the same mother and father, after breeding I still didn't get that one kitten with at least the Mysterious ears*, Dreamy iwhiskers*, and one of the non genesis eye colors, but I was able to get clones of each of them in the end by breeding one of their kittens with them which is great, so that I could try again Lol
one cat I got from them had Scotty fold ears*, Abyssinian- cream fur* and the Blond steaked* and I wouldn't mind having the dreamy shape whiskers with the blond streaked color (something for later on if I could do that) and don't mind the Scotty fold but definitely was getting it more than mysterious.
but my question would be if any of you all had ideas to get what im looking for or general tips that i could do to bring things together, with my new clones I did do a few back breeding of course, now I have a male same as the mom and a female same as the father.
https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-3&cat_id=a368463&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
♀ Alexandrine and ♂Machaon and ♂ Roshay are my new breeding cats, Alexandrine is a clone of the father and Machaon clone of the mother both from back breading, and then I bred Machaon and Shansi to get Roshay in hopes of having same hidden traits.
some more pedigree links: and ..if they don't work please tell me
https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-7&cat_id=1377535&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
http://https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-11&cat_id=1377535&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - HellgaFly Resident - 02-23-2020 05:04 PM
Hello
Read the breeding forum https://kittycats.ws/forum/showthread.php?tid=27644 Pedigree links are not available.
Good luck
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - FantasyStorm4s Resident - 02-23-2020 09:11 PM
Great so I looked at the chart. I am a bit confused by it
sort of got it, its a great way to put in findings of traits in and figure out what you would expect from breeding, if the trait is dominate you would see that trait more. maybe in my case Scotty fold was dominate to Mysterious ears.. maybe Lol i'm not sure. I guess if a trait is more recessive I have to try harder to get that trait or at least for the trait to be visible and not hidden..another part of me wishes that I would have bred the parents of the cats more to see more hiddens definitely will go through that next time, live and learn. hopefully not too late for this line before I move on, wanted to keep some nice kittens in boxes (and have) and then returned to them with fresh new traits from the next batch of kittens.
Also could anyone tell me if its possible to get Blond streaked whiskers with Dreamy shape and also what is a 9T? i've seen it some in the forum just really want to know~
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - Arwen Swordthain - 02-24-2020 04:00 AM
(02-23-2020 09:11 PM)FantasyStorm4s Resident Wrote: Great so I looked at the chart. I am a bit confused by it
another part of me wishes that I would have bred the parents of the cats more to see more hiddens definitely will go through that next time, live and learn. hopefully not too late for this line before I move on, wanted to keep some nice kittens in boxes (and have) and then returned to them with fresh new traits from the next batch of kittens.
Also could anyone tell me if its possible to get Blond streaked whiskers with Dreamy shape and also what is a 9T? i've seen it some in the forum just really want to know~
Fantasy I'm going to IM you inworld, Scotty Fold Ears are not Dominant to Mysterious, they are recessive, so if you got Scotty Fold ears from a cat with Mysterious Ears that cat hides Scotty Fold or more recessive depending on what ears its partner had. Unfortunately you posted links that have expired, the pedigree links we get inworld expire after 30 minutes and ones taken direct from the web browser are only visible to the breeder. Thats why we share pictures/Screenshots on the forums.
Anyway, I'm inworld a bit today so I'll hit you up with an IM and a Friend request and you can ask me questions direct. As admin on the charts I can help you use them to maximise your breeding efforts.
I'll try to answer your other questions here first though
Regarding not getting Mysterious ears on your cat, it is unusual not to ever get the most dominante trait shown in a pair but not unheard of, every breed its a coin toss for shown or hidden, you don't say however what the Females shown ear was if it Was Genesis or Curious, both are dominant to Mysterious so its possible the Mysterious is simply hiding under the Females shown ear when that passed.
Blonde Streaked Whiskers are a colour and Dreamy is the shape so yes its absolutely possible to get that whisker combination.
9T refers to the Number of Traits a cat has, we count anything as a trait that is a non starter traits
Hers an example of a Starter
Fur: Genesis - Bandit II
Eyes: Genesis Bronze (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)
So any Fur or eye that starts with Genesis is a starter trait, a 9T cat will have none of the starter traits listed above, so we count traits from 0 to 9 depending on how many are starter traits and how many aren't. if you see a +1 tagged onto the count that means the cat is not Normal Size but one of the special sizes. We don't countthat in the main count as its random and can't be bred for, all 9 counted traits can be deliberately bred onto the cat.
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - FantasyStorm4s Resident - 02-24-2020 05:14 PM
Thanks Arwen!
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - Songdog Woolley - 02-25-2020 04:22 PM
Hi Fantasy!
I can't access any of the links. Perhaps use a screenshot program such as Gyazo to post them here?
Getting specific multiple traits on a single cat is a fun challenge! Unless the original pair are fairly similar, it could take multiple generations to do it, or you could be really really lucky, hit the jackpot and get them all in one fell swoop! The journey to your goal can take you down some interesting roads, and you will often get a kitten or two that don't fit your plan, but are lovely in unexpected ways, creating a potential new line of breeding to explore as well as continuing on your intended path with some of the other kittens.
Hopefully you can get those pedigrees posted - in the meantime, welcome! There are a lot of breeders here who love to help, and the only "mistake" you can make is not asking if you have a question! :-)
~Song
(02-23-2020 03:49 PM)FantasyStorm4s Resident Wrote: Hello, I am quite new to the forum and with this being my first post sorry for any mistakes.
Anyway I would love some tips to breeding and/ or breeding for traits. I was breeding the same cats until they aged out, I wanted a kitten to have the non genesis traits from each parent, the male had Mysterious ears*, and the female had Dreamy whiskers*, Abyssinian - cream fur* and Malachite eyes*
they also had hidden traits, Blond streaked (for whiskers)*, Scotty fold ears*, and tapestry allure eyes*,
both of them have the same mother and father, after breeding I still didn't get that one kitten with at least the Mysterious ears*, Dreamy iwhiskers*, and one of the non genesis eye colors, but I was able to get clones of each of them in the end by breeding one of their kittens with them which is great, so that I could try again Lol
one cat I got from them had Scotty fold ears*, Abyssinian- cream fur* and the Blond steaked* and I wouldn't mind having the dreamy shape whiskers with the blond streaked color (something for later on if I could do that) and don't mind the Scotty fold but definitely was getting it more than mysterious.
but my question would be if any of you all had ideas to get what im looking for or general tips that i could do to bring things together, with my new clones I did do a few back breeding of course, now I have a male same as the mom and a female same as the father.
https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-3&cat_id=a368463&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
♀ Alexandrine and ♂Machaon and ♂ Roshay are my new breeding cats, Alexandrine is a clone of the father and Machaon clone of the mother both from back breading, and then I bred Machaon and Shansi to get Roshay in hopes of having same hidden traits.
some more pedigree links: and ..if they don't work please tell me
https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-7&cat_id=1377535&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
http://https://kittycats.ws/pedigree/pedigreeview.php?p=-11&cat_id=1377535&new_public2=&time=&key=&name=
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - FantasyStorm4s Resident - 02-25-2020 05:02 PM
yeah thanks Lol wanted to get the screenshots of the cats so you all can see
This one shows my original cats I was breeding Osmond and Shansi and their line.[
![[Image: 019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png]](http://https://i.gyazo.com/019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png)
http://https://i.gyazo.com/019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png
https://i.gyazo.com/019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png
This one is some of Osmond and Shani's kittens a lot of them are still in boxes, but probably will choose some of them to breed with my current pair after a while I wouldn't mind adding that blond streak somewhere.
http://https://i.gyazo.com/e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png
![[Image: e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png]](http://https://i.gyazo.com/e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png)
https://i.gyazo.com/e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png
and this one shows my current cat pair Alexandrine and Machaon and their parents
![[Image: 1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png]](http://https://i.gyazo.com/1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png)
http://https://i.gyazo.com/1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png
https://i.gyazo.com/1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png
okay I hope the links work
if not please tell me, I was trying to get them also if the links don't work I was able to get that last Url working by copying and pasting into a webpage to get an image
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - Songdog Woolley - 02-26-2020 05:27 PM
It's an interesting puzzle to get your desired traits on one kitten from the cats you're working on. I was able to access the pedigrees by copying and pasting into a webpage as you suggested. I put the one relevant to my first thoughts here so everyone can see it.
![[Image: afbc4aa1decc41c6ba91346ecec054a6.png]](https://gyazo.com/afbc4aa1decc41c6ba91346ecec054a6.png)
The first thought that I have in any project to make a cat with specific traits, ideally, is to find a pair that *between* them have all the desired traits showing, with the mate showing a trait the same or recessive to the desired trait if at all possible.
A good example for just one part of this is the Shansi/Panzer pairing, and their shown eye colors: your desired eye color is Malachite - Shansi shows Malachite and Panzer shows Tapestry Allure. Since Malachite is dominant to Tap Allure, every time Shansi passed Malachite, it would be the shown eye in the kitten - and Panzer's Tapestry Allure OR Panzer's hidden eye (which would have come from Osmond) would be that kitten's hidden eye. If she passed her hidden eye, it would be something recessive to Malachite - but half her kittens, statistically, would show that Malachite.
The first challenge I see is Machaon - since both Panzer and Shansi show Genesis ears, there is **a chance** that they each passed that dominant, shown Genesis ear. This would mean that Machaon has pure Genesis ears and will always pass that trait (because a "pure" trait is one that has the same hidden trait as the shown trait, so there is no possibility of anything else being there - there are only two traits in each trait "position" - a shown and a hidden), meaning that every one of his kittens (no matter who his mate is) will show the most-dominant Genesis ears and hide Alexandrine's Mysterious ears or whatever she hides. Machaon is 37 days old in this pedigree image - have any of his kittens shown any ears other than Genesis? Even if not, and it turns out that he doesn't hide a non-genesis ear, it's still do-able, but this will add at least another generation to the line in order to get that - or any non genesis - ear to show.
I think this will be a fun and rewarding project! Tell us a little bit more about Machaon's kittens' ears if you can :-) Any other breeders have ideas?
(02-25-2020 05:02 PM)FantasyStorm4s Resident Wrote: yeah thanks Lol wanted to get the screenshots of the cats so you all can see
This one shows my original cats I was breeding Osmond and Shansi and theirline.[
http://https://i.gyazo.com/019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png
https://i.gyazo.com/019ebb724cf14879e2434759e4c0a905.png
This one is some of Osmond and Shanisi's kittens a lot of them are still in boxes, but probably will choose some of them to breed with my current pair after a while I wouldn't mind adding that blond streak somewhere.
http://https://i.gyazo.com/e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png
https://i.gyazo.com/e6f1d9c2ff2ff83eb313426bd61bb594.png
and this one shows my current cat pair Alexandrine and Machaon and their parents
http://https://i.gyazo.com/1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png
https://i.gyazo.com/1b63c766f320cd1e492db331037b5031.png
okay I hope the links work
also if the links don't work I was able to get that last Url working by copying and pasting into a webpage to get an image
RE: Would like some tips and tricks on breeding for traits! - FantasyStorm4s Resident - 02-26-2020 09:17 PM
Hey thanks Songdog Woolley, and yeah definitely fun!
and perhaps some truth in the pure genesis ears all of Machaon's kitten's have genesis Lol : images of them ![[Image: 382458d1fffdf8d3351deb6025b46962.png]](http://https://i.gyazo.com/382458d1fffdf8d3351deb6025b46962.png)
http://https://i.gyazo.com/382458d1fffdf8d3351deb6025b46962.png
https://i.gyazo.com/382458d1fffdf8d3351deb6025b46962.png
also that one kitten of his Roshay he is Machaon's and Shansi's kitten and he has their visible traits I guess I was looking for the 'pure' with him was hoping that he would have those hidden traits too but not sure I was shocked with his and Alexandrine's kitten because it has scotty fold ears so that is a hidden
![[Image: ffcce51c177714895b09580289b76abd.png]](http://https://i.gyazo.com/ffcce51c177714895b09580289b76abd.png)
https://i.gyazo.com/ffcce51c177714895b09580289b76abd.png
right now i'm currently breeding Alexandrine and Roshay again and im wondering what type of ears they will have this time, or if I get the dreamy whiskers, another scotty fold ears would be interesting but there are two more dominate ears there as well.
also another thing I was working on, I opened one of Shansi and Osmond's boxed kittens that I had, to breed with Alexandrine in hopes to get something, or maybe could breed a female to Roshay or Machaon.
Fur: Abyssinian - Creme
Eyes: Malachite (Curious|Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Guitar)
Size: Normal
here is the new kitten traits
and I really appreciate the thoughts on things, im hoping next time would be easier
okay again sorry with the links those two at the bottom of both should work, if copied and pasted.
o.o how did you get the image to work?