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Time to reboot - Tad Carlucci - 04-07-2012 06:50 AM
Yes, folks it's time to reboot the KittyCatS game.
No, not the breeding .. the servers.
Charm asked me why so many people would complain for so long recently about long runs of males and females.
The pseudo-random number generators on computers can't run forever. At some point, the mathematics inside them breaks down into predictable patterns.
So, if there really are so many people having such long runs of results, it's time to reboot the operating systems upon which the web sites and database engines run so that a new entropy seed is used and the pseudo-randomness upon which the game depends returns to appearing to be random!
ETA: No, this won't guarantee you'll get a male to go with that female. As one who understands statistics, I *expect* to see surprisingly long runs. But when I start seeing them more than expected .. as a systems administrator .. I know that probably means I've generated too many random numbers from the same entropy seed and it's time to reboot the systems.
RE: Time to reboot - anna Acanthus - 04-07-2012 11:53 AM
Yes my ex-BF said something like this recently but i blanked off as usual when he starts on about programming, systems and statistics. ( It cost me to tell him i was breeding virtual kitties but it made his day
)I was wondering how many generations it took for predictable patterns to start so i did an extremely rough and quick (over -) calcul of 5 - 7,000,000 boxes having been generated since KCs started. Now that seems huge but i wouldn't have thought that much for predictable patterns to start appearing, especially with today's super-servers.
My boy/girl runs seemed to last roughly 6 weeks untill 5/6 months ago when the girls seemed to take over more but not at such an overwhelming rate as before , howevever at a glance at my birthed kitties that remain in my ownership are at ? 138 ? 131, the 771 boxes i can't know about of course.
*My ex at work :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Ph8zwpNyI&feature=related
RE: Time to reboot - KittyCats Resident - 04-07-2012 02:38 PM
hi all
I did reply to a similar topic about 4 months ago, so i'm refering to the post i made that time... you can find it here: http://www.kittycats.biz/forum/showthread.php?tid=2199&pid=5626#pid5626
The findings were a rather equal spread seen over several time frames and situations.
Appart from that, our server was restarted more then once overtime by our webhosting provider for maintaince, including weeks after the post i made 4 months ago
Regards
KittyCatS
RE: Time to reboot - Kayleigh McMillan - 04-08-2012 01:13 PM
It is curious when I first started with KittyCatS back in July I saw these gender Tsunami's as well but I see more variety in genders with my breeds lately.
RE: Time to reboot - Khea Karas - 04-08-2012 02:11 PM
For me the issue is not an overall number of boys or girls being born in my cattery as a whole, rather all girls or all boys being born from certain lines that I am trying to breed. It seems that certain cats (projects) will only always give one gender. It took me 2 months of breeding before I ever got a female snowshoe red so as you can imagine it takes the joy out of breeding for your dream cat because you will never be able to breed in those traits without getting a male & female kitten pair. Along with not knowing the gender before unboxing, and the 30 minutes wait time, it certainly makes you want to quit sometimes out of pure frustration and anger at all the useless boxes, wasted breeding time and money down the drain.
PS. I know I am not an isolated case as Ive also heard other breeders saying the same thing about certain lines only producing one gender.
RE: Time to reboot - Akitsuki Susanowa - 04-08-2012 05:29 PM
I have been trying to breed my kitties lines. Trying to get a boy so hard for them, but failing. After hours opening boxes, of the 5 boxes of a specific line, all are girls. How is this possible? Makes me really frustrated. Ragequit is so tempting. XP
Awww well hoping to get a boy next week...
RE: Time to reboot - Saga Felix - 04-08-2012 06:08 PM
That is exactly how my tawny-line behaves. 5 perfect girls - one of them still having to mate that not-so-perfect male, because they NEVER, in all the months of breeding, made a boy.
RE: Time to reboot - Liriel Garnet - 04-08-2012 08:05 PM
(04-08-2012 02:11 PM)Khea Karas Wrote: For me the issue is not an overall number of boys or girls being born in my cattery as a whole, rather all girls or all boys being born from certain lines that I am trying to breed. It seems that certain cats (projects) will only always give one gender. It took me 2 months of breeding before I ever got a female snowshoe red so as you can imagine it takes the joy out of breeding for your dream cat because you will never be able to breed in those traits without getting a male & female kitten pair. Along with not knowing the gender before unboxing, and the 30 minutes wait time, it certainly makes you want to quit sometimes out of pure frustration and anger at all the useless boxes, wasted breeding time and money down the drain.
PS. I know I am not an isolated case as Ive also heard other breeders saying the same thing about certain lines only producing one gender.
This is exactly the type of problem I experience, Khea, at least in part. My tawny line produces boy after boy after boy after boy. I've resorted to buying girls and to breeding in some of my Black Russians (which tends heavily toward girls, tho not as badly as it used to) and then crossing them back in and pulling the tawny back out. It makes it incredibly frustrating at times.
I've given up on my Aby Lilacs. I love this coat, but no matter what I tried, even using some of my black females to produce more via hoping to get the aby lilac over the black, every box that would further my line was a boy. I'm sending all my remaining lilacs to kitty playground this week. It didn't matter whether I was on my old months-long boy streak or my current month-or-more girl streak, this has pretty much always held true in those lines since I started trying to establish them.
RE: Time to reboot - Callie Cline - 04-08-2012 09:50 PM
this is fascinating... i'm just chiming in cuz i have a great aunt who had 12 boys and guess what her 13th was? a girl finally. she was also one of 11 kids the only girl... (but not the youngest) it would be an interesting study in RL to see patterns like what you describe.
i know when my family bred dogs when i was a kid we'd have litters with sometimes equal male and female, and often buyers would "hold" a female or male, and we'd have NONE!!! our dogs had large litters being german shephards and dobermans and english springer spaniels, but anyway just wanted to chime in.
i'm sorry it's frustrating
RE: Time to reboot - Kayleigh McMillan - 04-09-2012 05:21 AM
hm yes, some projects I have give more of one gender indeed.
Recently I did quit a project for this reason which is very rare because I'm awfully stubborn.
It was the "create recessive whiskers in colour and shape" project.
The project name has been changed in "buy recessive whiskers in colour and shape".
But yes sometimes it is frustrating I agree.