(05-25-2014 08:21 PM)PrettyPoizen Resident Wrote:  Hi:

I just want to chime in here for a second. I understand what Fabao is saying and what he is doing - besides being so gracious and generous with his time and sharing information for the benefit of new breeders. He is applying genetics from RL to pixel pets which I think are very well scripted lol. For one to think that the 80% tendency is applicable as much to the one who buys 10 cats as it does to the one who buys 50, or 100 is to not consider that statistics of All kinds require an adequate sampling. It may well be that say 50% of all kitties have a hidden new recessive...but that does not mean that if i buy 10, that percentage would apply. To maximize my efforts here or RL, I believe inbreeding or tight linebreeding will nail down the traits I want and expose the hidden ones i may or may not want. And I also know that the use of recessives to *encourage* other recessives to reveal themselves is a very important step. It may not work the first time, or even the third or ever. But that doesnt mean his points are invalid.

I met Fabao not long ago and I was as impressed with his professional approach to this as I was with the fact that he Takes The Time to share what he has learned. I do not get the impression that he is saying he is the discovered of the Mendelian Genetics. He is essentially trying to simplify and put into kitty logic what he can from his understanding of genetic principles...and as long as there is a "gene pool", there will always be a gray area where we get surprised especially in most cases the breeder has no clue of the pedigree beyond grandparents. At least in RL i could trace my peds back 8-12 generations in a minute. Here with KC we often see new breeders make choices depending on phenotype and not considering whatever genotype they can and cannot see....

Just my 2 cents...and my thanks for those who take time to sit here and post and teach and help others when I am sure they could just as easily be keeping knowledge to themselves so they can be the big fish in the small bowl. Thank you all for your contributions here!

(05-25-2014 07:53 PM)Bengta Resident Wrote:  I have spent many hours with Fabio in his Cattery and he has taught me everything I know. I have been breeding for just 6 months now and have been getting some amazing results using Fabio's techniques. I did testing on 10 Easter kittens, my first tests ever. I used the rules that Fabio has taught me and I've been pleased with the results. Using only 10 kittens, I have already found one new trait, the Rounded Boo Boo. I have also found one kitten that hides Pandie Fawn, Dark Chocolate, and Light Wave Whisker! In just two rounds of testing!
Fabio has also shown me how to breed recessives: I now have three 8T Siamese Chocolate Torties and will have 9T soon. And these torties are not just any 8T's: they have Ody Bel, Porc, Curious and Shorty, MOF, and wait, Latte! And to make this even better,these 8T torties came from two kittens that do not have tortie visible!
Thank you fabio for many hours of time you have given me!!

(05-26-2014 11:26 AM)bigbritchz Topaz Wrote:  i feel like a ancient reading all of this what the heck is a "OP" all these fancy dancy abbreviations !! hahaha

(05-25-2014 08:59 PM)Ethereal Hurricane Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 07:36 PM)Skylar Sass Wrote:  After reading through this post I just wanted to say that it should not matter if you find that a post is redundant because there is already "enough" information. People never stop learning and there is never to much information on a subject. I applaud Fabio for always trying to help others and in NO WAY did I find him being pompous. Yes I am replying to several people in this post at one time. I also believe there is a technique to pulling more traits out from the specials and it is not just all luck. Some yes, others no. I don't believe it is using just the most recessive but certain recessive traits that are closer to the actual hidden traits. Just my opinion and I surely do not know as much as Fabio does, or some of you more experienced breeders. However, I do find it ridiculous to ridicule another for their thoughts, especially when they are trying to be helpful. Now I know some of you will say you didn't but it's actually quite obvious.

You clearly didn't read then (it's okay, it happens quite often). The first 6 replies or so were people saying "yes, this is true, it works, thanks for posting". Mixed with Fabio claiming he created this by himself over 6 months of research. Then, an outlandish claim was made that just 80% of all new cats wont hide hidden traits. Meaning, you have a 1 in 5 chance to get a new trait! It could very well be close to that, but I doubt it, and a sample of 50 cats isn't enough to claim it, just as a sample of 8 cats isn't. Luck is a factor.

Secondly, at the bottom of his post which really doesn't have that much hard data other than a picture, is slightly misleading, and would clearly rely on extra information given, Fabio asks:

(05-13-2014 02:28 PM)fabioazevedo Oh Wrote:  Let's turn this "Normal Threads" in a "Important Threads".

Why does this thread need to be an important one? As more than one person has confirmed this should be 'common knowledge' to those who seek breeding information, it's not original. The information presented can already be found in one of the 'important' threads (which, btw the way, also comes with even more important information and breeding tips, mind you).

If your only argument here is that it should be an important thread because people don't know how to read, use the search, ask questions, or all 3 of those, then yes, by all means, please make this an important thread.

Lastly, no one was attacking Fabio at first, he got defensive when people claimed his idea wasn't original. I'm not some 'forum cop', but I do believe people should at least search for a solution, or try to find information on their own first. It's common courtesy to the people who share information for them to not have to repeat it 5000 times. Having 50 threads at the top of the page with half of them repeating the same information, likewise, is counter-productive.

So once again, thank you Fabio for your thread, another confirmation that this method does work, if you wish to use it.