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RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Nenya Eun - 06-17-2012 08:39 AM
(06-17-2012 06:45 AM)deerylou Resident Wrote: Ode to a lesser-known Disney scene that describes how I feel sometimes about this matter:
Dragon whiskers, dragon toes, a dragon tooth and a dragon nose...
Hugs,
Deer
Oh, that is taken from Peter and Elliot the Dragon (or whatever the title is in English), right ?
I love this Disney movie, probably one of my favourites.
At least it made me feel like watching it, thanks for that, Deer.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Taronn Resident - 06-17-2012 08:52 AM
Stop being hypocritical is what I want to see in the Kittycats community too. Some of these breeders are doiing the opposite of what they act and said in the forum to pretend they are contributing to the community. That also ruined the secondary markets and the community. Very discouraging.
Stop being hypocritical is what I want to see in the Kittycats community too. Some of these breeders are doiing the opposite of what they act and said in the forum to pretend they are contributing to the community. That also ruined the secondary markets and the community. Very discouraging.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Taronn Resident - 06-17-2012 09:42 AM
Don't jump into conclusion when some people just want to raise up their voice the first time. Some people just read and don't post until they need to. There is no finger pointing in my post, just simply an observation. In fact, your reply seems "to anatagonize and flame" to this thread.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Kayleigh McMillan - 06-17-2012 10:08 AM
I'm not so much disturbed by this all actually but this likely has to do with the fact I see this as a hobby/ habbit mainly.
Sure it would be cool if the most recessive of all continued to be this for a while so people can trait and sell them before an other even more recessive fur is released.
I agree this would be more ideal.
I don't mind if new traits and furs are released it makes the possibilities only richer it would be cool though if we know by now what the most recessive fur is for a while.
It could also be ofcourse we just didn't found the flame and cream lynx yet while they were present in the starters for a longer time already.
Not sure how this went.
(06-17-2012 06:31 AM)Khea Karas Wrote: ... There goes months of hard work on your project, lots of $ down the drain in trying to show some skill in breeding, as the fur is now practically worthless. Who wants a 9T ocicat chocolate, now we have another more recessive ocicat? No one! ...
I do
I go wild on auctions lately as so much pretty projects are sold such as yours!
9T in a pretty combination are always welcome in my cattery my starters have a weak spot for them!
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Kendrah Vantelli - 06-17-2012 12:58 PM
I agree with you guys.. I take on big project and enjoy breeding for a Goal. I think there is a bunch of us who do this.
http://www.kittycats.biz/forum/showthread.php?tid=3022
This cat took me 232 days to accomplish, when I finally got it, it was worth nothing. This is not the first one either.
I truely hope my current breeding goal isn't gonna turn out the same, if so perhaps those selling their new traits and not breeding forever to get something more might be the wiser?
Think about it. If this is the case then breeding wouldn't be good anymore. This is my last go at it. I hope it works out and I can breed out something & don't see Joe blow birth the cat I've been breeding now for 75 days and gets it fully traited from just dumb luck. I think breeding for the traits should mean more.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Kayleigh McMillan - 06-17-2012 01:20 PM
(06-17-2012 12:58 PM)Kendrah Vantelli Wrote: ... I think breeding for the traits should mean more ....
I agree with this and I continue to do so because I take pride in it and I pretty much ignore what the market does eventhough it would be lovely if this was different and good breeding would continue to mean more.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Chelle Zimmer - 06-17-2012 01:21 PM
(06-17-2012 12:58 PM)Kendrah Vantelli Wrote: I agree with you guys.. I take on big project and enjoy breeding for a Goal. I think there is a bunch of us who do this.
http://www.kittycats.biz/forum/showthread.php?tid=3022
This cat took me 232 days to accomplish, when I finally got it, it was worth nothing. This is not the first one either.
I truely hope my current breeding goal isn't gonna turn out the same, if so perhaps those selling their new traits and not breeding forever to get something more might be the wiser?
Think about it. If this is the case then breeding wouldn't be good anymore. This is my last go at it. I hope it works out and I can breed out something & don't see Joe blow birth the cat I've been breeding now for 75 days and gets it fully traited from just dumb luck. I think breeding for the traits should mean more.
Yes, same thing happened to me with Ody Boo Boo. I got lucky and got in on that one early. I kept them and worked on them and when I finally got them 7 traits they were worth nothing. This is why, because of the quick sales with no traits. Everyone has the trait before you can fully trait them out. Took me 4-5-6 generations to get it that way. A long time to be sure. People that take the time to make them traity are being screwed and those looking to make a quick buck and sell sell sell, multiples each week in auctions, stores and what not are helping the problem
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Ethereal Hurricane - 06-17-2012 02:48 PM
(06-17-2012 08:52 AM)Taronn Resident Wrote: Stop being hypocritical is what I want to see in the Kittycats community too. Some of these breeders are doiing the opposite of what they act and said in the forum to pretend they are contributing to the community. That also ruined the secondary markets and the community. Very discouraging.
Sadly, this is just how people are, can't really do much but complain, unless you really want to start a fight with them. Which sometimes I do like to do
Also, sorry if I derailed my own thread with my ranting, but my main point, just to reiterate, was please do not release 5 new furs that are all heavily recessive!
Love the responses everyone! Keep them coming!
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Kayleigh McMillan - 06-17-2012 07:47 PM
I just had a thought ...
Is the fact KittyCatS says not to be involved with the secondary market not meant as they don't want us to think they have different angles with the cats other than making them and sell starters?
I believe some other breedables turned out to be questionable considering their transparancy in the past with the breedables they made it could be this made KC super concience on that.
I wasn't there because KittyCatS was my first breedable and I bought some Roos which are now pets only so I can't know this for sure.
But maybe KittyCatS means to be fully transparant considering their involvement with the secondary market and not so much that they don't care about how their cats market or don't monitor that.
After all they need the markets to be able to show new people what possible furs and traits there are and they have every so often sent a notecard in the group with landmarks to secondary markets.
This gives me the feeling they want these markets to be known and seen.
Totally apart from this I also feel we need some clearness on the most recessive traits because as Saga said I too like to make a cat as recessive as possible as a great "tool" to use with starters and I think it would give some market stability.
The fact they release more furs and traits I like though because it makes it fun to buy and try starters.
But indeed ideally no more most recessive traits for a while would be lovely.
RE: Balinese, and the secondary market. Can we *avoid* having a round 2 of this? - Nenya Eun - 06-18-2012 02:07 AM
(06-17-2012 07:47 PM)Kayleigh McMillan Wrote: But maybe KittyCatS means to be fully transparant considering their involvement with the secondary market and not so much that they don't care about how their cats market or don't monitor that.
After all they need the markets to be able to show new people what possible furs and traits there are and they have every so often sent a notecard in the group with landmarks to secondary markets.
This gives me the feeling they want these markets to be known and seen.
I am sure you've got the point there, Kay.