08-28-2012, 01:04 PM
During the Kitty Kollege class on Sunday, someone mentioned that they had not yet discovered the hidden eye of their Le Tigre. They had bred it with multiple partners, each with different eyes. Most recently, they had partnered it with a mate who had oddy rainbow eyes, yet still the OS box showed the genesis eye of the Le Tigre. Out of all the OS of the Le Tigre, only one box showed an eye color, which was Blue Ice. The assumption was that since the partner with the oddy rainbow eye did not "pull" the Le Tigre's hidden eye, it is hiding something incredibly recessive.
I would like to state here and now that this situation contains several breeding myths and I would like to dispel them, for the good of the breeding community.
Myth: "I bred my cat with a partner who shows oddy rainbow and the partner didn't pull my cat's hidden eye, so that means my cat has to have an OMFG recessive eye!"
False. There are 2 things wrong with this statement:
First of all, there is no such thing as “pulling” any hidden trait. Either the cats throw/tosses them, or they don’t. If you believe in magic with KittyCats, I suggest you stop reading now, because I am about to break the spell. When 2 cats mate, they each ping the server. The female says “I am going to toss my hidden/shown eye”. The male does the same. THEN the server determines, by order of dominance, which of those eye traits must show or hide on the OS box. This is how it works for every single trait. It’s that simple. There is a 50/50 chance for every single trait, on every single box, with every single mating, whether a shown or hidden trait will throw/toss. Therefore, no trait can “pull” another trait. If you breed an oddy rainbow cat with a genesis cat and get genesis back, it simply means the cat has continued to toss it’s shown genesis eye. It tells you NOTHING about the hidden eye.
Secondly, simply because I mate an oddy rainbow eye with a pink ice eye, and get a pink ice eye back does NOT mean that cat is hiding OMFG recessive. It means the cat simply did not toss its hidden eye with that breeding. IF I got an oddy rainbow eye back, THEN I would know there’s something peculiar there that I might want to look into. Simply because I get pink ice back after 3 or 4 boxes tells me nothing, other than I have a very stubborn cat with pink ice eyes, or that it’s a cat with pure pink ice eyes.
In the situation I mentioned from our Sunday class, that breeder found 1 box with blue ice eyes that was an OS of the Le Tigre. It turns out that those were the hidden eye of the Le Tigre, but because of this myth, because of multiple breedings with very recessive eyed partners, and getting nothing but the shown genesis eye back, this breeder dismissed the blue ice eyed box. After that discussion, and hearing that these myths are being actively spread through the breeding community, I felt it necessary to explain from a very practical standpoint how breeding and trait determination works at a primary level.
I would like to state here and now that this situation contains several breeding myths and I would like to dispel them, for the good of the breeding community.
Myth: "I bred my cat with a partner who shows oddy rainbow and the partner didn't pull my cat's hidden eye, so that means my cat has to have an OMFG recessive eye!"
False. There are 2 things wrong with this statement:
First of all, there is no such thing as “pulling” any hidden trait. Either the cats throw/tosses them, or they don’t. If you believe in magic with KittyCats, I suggest you stop reading now, because I am about to break the spell. When 2 cats mate, they each ping the server. The female says “I am going to toss my hidden/shown eye”. The male does the same. THEN the server determines, by order of dominance, which of those eye traits must show or hide on the OS box. This is how it works for every single trait. It’s that simple. There is a 50/50 chance for every single trait, on every single box, with every single mating, whether a shown or hidden trait will throw/toss. Therefore, no trait can “pull” another trait. If you breed an oddy rainbow cat with a genesis cat and get genesis back, it simply means the cat has continued to toss it’s shown genesis eye. It tells you NOTHING about the hidden eye.
Secondly, simply because I mate an oddy rainbow eye with a pink ice eye, and get a pink ice eye back does NOT mean that cat is hiding OMFG recessive. It means the cat simply did not toss its hidden eye with that breeding. IF I got an oddy rainbow eye back, THEN I would know there’s something peculiar there that I might want to look into. Simply because I get pink ice back after 3 or 4 boxes tells me nothing, other than I have a very stubborn cat with pink ice eyes, or that it’s a cat with pure pink ice eyes.
In the situation I mentioned from our Sunday class, that breeder found 1 box with blue ice eyes that was an OS of the Le Tigre. It turns out that those were the hidden eye of the Le Tigre, but because of this myth, because of multiple breedings with very recessive eyed partners, and getting nothing but the shown genesis eye back, this breeder dismissed the blue ice eyed box. After that discussion, and hearing that these myths are being actively spread through the breeding community, I felt it necessary to explain from a very practical standpoint how breeding and trait determination works at a primary level.
