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Let's start some information on the Orangeberry's and their relationships with other berries!

i have this :
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This is what I have with Orangeberry in the pedigree that also has another colour around

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The mums:

Catlee is a second generation Cocoberry, who has made Orangeberry and blueberry kittens (different fathers)

Lizzy is a starter Cocoberry, who has made two blueberry kittens (different fathers)

Rose is a second generation cocoberry who has made two appleberry kittens (different fathers)

Jadelyn is a fourth generation Plumberry who has made one plumberry kitten

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First the chart so we can see what we are working with, then the knowns so far. Then what the chart proves.



Ok, summation first.
Baby has Orangeberry. Here are the knowns on Orangebery according to Saga's charts

OrangeBerry dominant to TealBerry
OrangeBerry dominant to GrapeBerry
OrangeBerry dominant to CherryBerry

Mom shows Appleberry. here are the knowns on Appleberry
Appleberry is recessive to Blueberry

Mom's dad Appleberry. See the known above
Mom's mom Grapeberry. Here are the knowns on Grapeberry
Grapeberry is recessive to Blueberry
Grapeberry is recessive to Orangeberry

Because Orangeberry is dominant to Grapeberry and the baby has Orangeberry, Mom has Appleberry and Mom's Mom had Grapeberry, this suggests a couple things

A. Orangeberry is the hid on the Cocoberry dad Ravenor
B. Appleberry is probably dominant to Grapeberry, unless the Grapeberry has something more recessive hid which is possible and that more recessive hidden was thrown.

So I will put this Orangeberry baby up against that Grapeberry grandma to see if (with luck) I can get another confetti baby and it might show me the hid on the baby. If the baby hides Appleberry or Grapebery, then we will have definite proof on Orangeberry and Appleberry. Right now I don't have anything more recessive thant eh Grapeberry so that is hte best scenario I can hope for.

It's really hard with confettis to get definitive proofs unless we know the hiddens. Hard to find out hiddens when you only get 2 babies with confetti furs per 14 babies which is what I am averaging. But I will cross my fingers.

as you can see from this sibling breed the GrapeBerry is rec to the OrangeBerry

Yay! Thanks Arwen for this proof.

The Saga Charts already shows Orangeberry is dominant to Appleberry, so this Pedigree shows no new information, It however does show the information in clear and irrefutable way.

(12-30-2016 03:14 PM)wildblueviolet Sunset Wrote: [ -> ]The Saga Charts already shows Orangeberry is dominant to Appleberry, so this Pedigree shows no new information, It however does show the information in clear and irrefutable way.

If that isn't Crystal clear, nothing is. And those eyes are so cool on both the orange and apple furs!

this is actually Jhan's chart, note mine

It proves Blueberry is dominant to Orangeberry so it's a good confirmation. Now just need one for Plumberry re Orangeberry and that section will be set.

Mom Martiza shows Blueberry
Both her paretns show Blueberry

Dad Geoffrey shows Cocoberry
Dad's Mom Midge shows Cocoberry so he gets his Cocoberry from her
Dad's Dad Sky shows Blueberry so he gets his hid from Dad

Maritza and Geofrey had a baby
Norville shows Orangeberry

So Norville's GrandDad Sky on dad's side hides Orangeberry or more recessive
Mom Maritza hides Orangeberry or more recessive
Either way a Blueberry hides Orangeberry (just don't know which Blueberry) so this proves Blueberry is dominant to Orangeberry



To sweeten the pot, Norville had a baby with a Plumberry and got a Tealberry back. So one of his Blueberry ancestors hides Orangeberry and the other Blueberry hides Tealberry or more recessive.

Actually I just realized that Ivy's first proof at the top on 1/23/16 is a proof that Orangeberry is dominant to Tealberry but you need another chart to complete the proof.

Chart 1 (obtained from Ivy's Confetti Imgur site with her permission)
Left side
Mom’s mom Raibow Beauty Coco shown
Mom’s dad Sexy Beast Coco shown
Mom Citrine shows Lemonberry

Right side
Dad Sexy Beast Coco shown

Citrine is matched up with her dad Sexy Beast
Mona shows Teal
proving Dad hides Teal and that Teal is recessive to Lemon which has to come from Mom’s Mom Raibow Beauty. If Dad had been the one to have Lemonberry, Lemon would have shown.
Also proving Mona shows and hides Teal.
1st chart is proving Mona is actuall Tealberry shown and hid.



Now we do an analysis of the first chart of the thread from Ivy.

Chart 2

Mom Mona who we now shows and hides Tealberry
Dad Orange Violet
Baby shows Orangeberry and has to hide Tealberry since Mona is solid Tealberry

Proves Orangeberry is dominant to Tealberry.



To me it's cool to see that something that was placed here a year ago was already a proof, just needed a little support

Orange vs Plum



Reya and Brendon produced Constanza, Plum hiding something.
Reya and Quincy produce Phinaeus, also Plum hiding something.
Costanza and Phinaeus produce Orangeberry box.

Since a more dominant color cannot be hidden, Orange must be recessive to Plum.