Instead of people coming in the forums complaining, whining and gripping about how they can't use people ignorance anymore in order to sell a 20.00 usd virtual cats, people should see how the market responded to such hideous acts, by refusing to pay what everyone else thinks they should.. I am sorry but in my humble opinion, YOU should be ASHAMED of yourself if you think it's okay to sell a virtual product that a person can't touch or do anything with for upwards of 20.00 usd hell 15.00usd is alot. . if secondlife servers had a glitch and the cat is forever gone, then thats it. Yes their is a HUGE problem with people demanding up words of 40,000 L and better for a virtual picture or graphic get real! Furthermore, I am tired of reading about rich avies vs poor avie, it's been an ongoing struggle between rich and poor since the discovery of money for goods instead of a barter system, so get with it. Everyone knows more money more advantage that is understood it's not Kittycat's problem You have champagne taste and beer money.. I am not a rich avie My sales are so far and few in between I am bleeding money at this point. I just don't want to read about someone else whining about I can't afford food, I can't either! and I don't even have but 40 breeding cats I want 100 hell I want 200 but I can't afford it I just barely afford my 40 cats.
For all of those who jump in the threads to tell people to get a reallife job.. I have one and I also have reallife mouths to feed and real life bills to pay, and I am not going to spend 300 a month on a hobby.
I was not going to get involved here but feel as a market/sim owner I should.
1. What Callie does with her land on her on time is her own business Sam, no Favoritism there at all, not when you have legit renters paying rent for a parcel of land that callie owns, who cares!!!!!
2. I have a secondary market and it runs just fine and I generally have no issues, there are those within the community that will always cause drama no matter what because they think they are the 'gods' of the breeder world PFFT whatever, I own land and don't expect cat sales or rentals to pay for my tiers, for those that do i feel for you because its a hobby not a damn business get over yourselves.... I will sell my kittys at a fair market price not what others feel i should sell them at, my choice my cats not anyone else's! It suppose to be fun, this of you that have nothing better to do than sit here and complain and point fingers should really get a new hobby and life!
(10-05-2014 04:20 PM)Winter Phoenix Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Jania Cleanslate' pid='63761' dateline='1412441786'] Find your yarn balls ladies and gents...
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My yarn balls are under the big red chair thank you very much!
and Jania is miffed cus she cant get more than 700L for her aby dark.
Okay Lady and I use that term Loosely... I am not selling an Aby dark nor am I miffed about anything.. I seen one go for that much in auction.. People like you is the reason things are the way they are.. You come in here with ur tude and your yarn balls in a bunch going on some psycho rant talking smack about Sam and I and NOBODY even asked you.... before you assume get things straight.. furthermore don't just carelessly say go get a job if your life was all that fulfilling and full of productiveness you wouldn't even waste your time in KC community or even SL please have several seats!
hi everyone,
we are going to make the request that people speak to each other with respect. please leave out judgements about people and what you think of them. if you want to comment on ideas, please do, and please keep it to ideas and not "about people".
our forum is a place to discuss ideas, opinions and to do it in as kind a way as possible. we can disagree that's fine and normal, and we ask you abide by our guidelines of keeping posts respectful.
if you have an issue with someone, please work those things out privately.
to recap, discussing idea, thoughts, are FINE.
judging, name calling, and anything rude is not ok.
thank you in advance for your cooperation.
callie.
I have to agree Callie. I believe we can disagree and remain respectful. I welcome WarBeagals comments and believe that he does a fine job of auctioning at the... oh yes Scratchn Post.
SS
(10-06-2014 11:15 PM)SAMSMlTH Resident Wrote: [ -> ]I have to agree Callie. I believe we can disagree and remain respectful. I welcome WarBeagals comments and believe that he does a fine job of auctioning at the... oh yes Scratchn Post. SS
Oh please Sam, Respectful thats's why you made this thread? that's why you have what you have about you know who in your profile.. call that respectful? Did you say what you said about Callie in your profile out of respect for her?? Stop brown nosing...
Your whole alt profile is doing nothing but slamming Callie in the mud, that's sad... none of this thread and the comments made was respectful NOBODY'S post was respectful especially yours!
I have the highest respect for Winter; a few of Winter's phrases ticked me off, but a lot of my post wasn't even directed at that, but a more generalized response to the situation. I earnestly tried to keep what I said honest and helpful - helpful in the sense of moving a general conversation about the future of KittyCatS forward. It was an unusually emotional post for me. I apologize for any language that anyone may have taken to be too crass for the forum.
Further: Callie and the whole of the KittyCatS team act with tremendous professionalism. And they have also shown tremendous restraint in the forum, now and at other times. We are here in Their forums at their invitation and by their good grace.
I had trepidation posting in this thread because of its starting tone. It's tone has only gotten worse and I think it should be locked.
I wasn't to get involved in this topic.
In general I like to say though that I think it is not sound to interfere in someone's, in this case Callie's, landbusiness.
I am sorry I feel that is wrong on so many levels.
I've rented at Fruitislands owned by Equinox and her partner.
Simply because most landlords don't like to have breedables on their sims and I figured they wouldn't object
I hope in regards of the businesses of others and not ours we can remain to have a respectful distance.
Hello everyone :-)
I have been debating wether to reply to this particular post or not for a while. From the moment it was posted, it really had no substantial aid or input to what the KittyCatS! forum is about. This forum, I believe, has been created for the community to share ideas, get to know one another and come together as what we are, people who love and breed KittyCatS! With that being said, the original post on this thread does not contribute towards the betterment of the community in general.
While I understand Samsmlth's concern about releases of new traits and the secondary market, I honestly believe that KittyCatS! is a breedable that was meant to be enjoyed and also a continuous challenging game in which the goal is to create or try to achieve your dream kitty while having some fun at it. Not all traits available are for everyone, each of us have personal tastes, and each kitty that we breed is a personal work of art that strives to achieve our very own special KittyCatS! -- tailored to our own taste. I do not think that the release of traits or furs should be an issue if we look at it this way.
I believe that, as in everything, secondary markets have ups and downs -- high seasons and low seasons. We see it in real life, we see it here and in everything else that has anything to do with sales. Clothing stores, furniture stores, other breedables, etc go through the same high and low tides. This summer has been slow for many of us as it has been so in the past as well. Many people stop breeding, take a little break, go off on vacation with family, while others stick around and continue to breed until the market rises up again.
The community has grown and we are all much better breeders than the day we started, we are seeing amazing kitties being bred every single day. I also believe the secondary market is determined by the buyer, not the seller. Sometimes we might want to sell high, but the buyer just isn't there or in that price range. We cannot fault KittyCatS! or anyone for this situation. We cannot fault breeders who make amazingly and beautifully traited kitties that sell for higher prices because, it is not their fault either that they have bred such a wonderful kitty that everyone wants to have. I believe, wholeheartedly, that yes, we shouldn't get upset with the secondary markets going up and down, and that each of us should always strive to value our work in a reasonable way. Perhaps, if we do so, market sales and prices would hold their position in a stable manner.
In regards to auctions, I must say that auctions usually start at lower valued kitties in order to entice the potential buyers into bidding on the kitty. Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. My personal recommendation has always been, price your kitty at an auction at the lowest you are willing to let go of your kitty (something I can proudly say I learned at the Nacht's auctions - Thank you Draco and Theo!) because if you go too low or too high, your kitty might end up going back home with you. An auction is a gamble. If we mark a kitty low (for an auction) with the best intentions to attract bids and, the kitty ends up selling at opening price, it is just something that sometimes happen. Perhaps the buyer for that kitty was not there, or no one was willing to bid more than opening bid. No one can control this. I guess what I am trying to say is that no one really knows what could happen during an auction and the auction selling price should never be taken as a "market value" because sometimes a kitty might sell way under value, or sell for a lot more than expected simply because two or more people wanted to really, really have the cat.
I always tell customers to hold on and ride the low tide slowly and not lose hope because that market will once again pick up. :-) And, regardless of new traits or furs, if you have a beautifully traited and aesthetically pleasing kitty, it will always sell -- sooner or later.
As for the second part of the original post in which The ScratchN Post and the Co.Op is being addressed, by now you know I am sure, who the person is referring to. I have no idea who this person is, or why this post had to even bring up where people live or who they rent from. As in any rental, this is a contract between landlord and renter. No one gets any benefits or favoritism, as has been alleged, over renting land. And yes, I pay for my land just like all of you who own land do. I believe that this is really something that is not relevant to the community, nor is the disclosure of my Second Life address in a forum. I get no special treatment, I can assure you.
I must say that I do not appreciate people dropping in my land to take pictures and placing them in their profiles or just coming over to verify if the post is true or not. I think this defeats the principle of what we all know as privacy. If anyone would like to know anything, I am more than welcome to answer your IM's because I have nothing to hide. I do not think, the KittyCatS! forum is the place to bring this up because, really, who cares where I live! ;-) lol
It is very easy to make an avatar and set out to plant seeds of doubts while hiding your true identity. Anyone can do that. I am here, I say present and I welcome any questions anyone might have to be directed to me and not on this forum. It is simply not the place for it.
And finally, about the KittyCatS Co.Op, I have to say is that it has been made with the highest hopes to lend a hand to one another without any ulterior motives or gain. We would like to see a better community, starting from the secondary market leaders all the way down to the new breeder that probably unpacked his/her first KittyCatS! while I was writing this post. Perhaps it will work, perhaps it won't. But we will not know unless we give it the benefit of the doubt and a fair chance. The community has always wanted a united community, then why not strive for that? If we all put our little grain of salt, perhaps this dream could be a reality.
Instead of attacking one another, why not work together? The KittyCatS! community is a big family. Like it or not, we are bound together by what we love: our Kittycats. Regardless of our own personal points of views, as different as they might be, lets make an effort to meet halfway. Sometimes we take and sometimes we need to give. No one is right or wrong and by meeting in the middle perhaps we can achieve a happy ground in which to co-exist.
I apologize to all of you who have been following this thread or any misconceptions this thread may have arisen. I am open to questions, outside this forum, if you have any concerns or doubts. I just think that this forum is not the right place for certain things.
I wish everyone a happy day and happy breeding! :-)
Always,
Ruby
The ScratchN Post
A long, long, Long, LONG time ago, back before there was an Internet, back when computers filled entire buildings, back before they became small enough to actually fit in your living room (and, boy, did I dream of THAT!), and decades before they were small enough to sit out on my lap as I sit on my rocking chair enjoying a fine Autumn morning out on the porch, I got into computers.
Back them, my parents, well, my mother, had a very hard time understanding it.
My family's business it METAL. They turn big, useless chunks of the stuff into smaller, highly useful bits which makes THINGS. Things you all use. Steering wheels for your cats, the plastic cases for your telephones. REAL stuff. Stuff you can hold in your hand!
And here I come and start making stuff which isn't real! How can I POSSIBLY expect to survive? Who would ever want something which really only exists in your mind?
Now, decades later, one would see that those 'unreal' things people like me made turned out to be important and effect real lives every day.
But, still, we see comments like above.
What is 'unreal' about KittyCatS, or Second Life?
Because some insist upon calling it 'a game' and feel it has no value?
But, really, who are they to say?
It's not up to anyone else to decide.
Who's to say. Maybe, decades from now, when you look back you'll realize that Second Life and KittyCatS was the start of something.
So could we all just agree that even though some might not presently see value in what we choose to do, we all have a right to do it and we don't need mothers telling us to get a real job simply because they don't see the value we do?