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summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-16-2016 01:38 PM
Last summer I did a call to arms of 29 eyes that needed placement. People put in charts and we were able to place 4 eyes and narrow 9 eyes. I thought we could do it again this summer. And the nominees are alphabetical (discrepencies between the forum and Saga's charts are noted):
List last Updated: 9/19/16 Crystal Spring is recessive to Crystal Sea, 9/19/16 Frost is dominant to Mercury; 9/29/16 Sparkle Dream is dominant to Bluberry; 10/5/16 Exotic Seas is placed between Ody Wonder and Fancie Indigo Diamond
6/22/16 Note: listing under the eyes they need to be matched against if it is 3 eyes or less to make it easier to make proof pairings.
Autumn Leaf
Saga's charts says: dominant to Double-Dip Flora and recessive to Ice Crystal
Thread: 9/5/16 Autumn Leaf Recessive to Morning Glory
Exotic Treasure
Cognac
Saga's charts says: Cognac is dominant to Bronze and recessive to Full Moon
Saga's charts says: Odyssey Crush is dominant to Pewter & Cognac, and recessive to Double Dip Flora
Thread: 8/23 Cognac is dominant to Pewter; 9/3 Odyssy Crush is placed between Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon so Cognac is between Odyssey Crush and Pewter
Odyssey Cognac Moon for placement
Crystal Berry
Saga's charts says: Placed 7/24/16: Crystal Berry is between Bronze and Canary.
Crystal Crush
Saga's charts says: dominant to Pewter, Twilight, Crystal Berry & Bronze and recessive to Full Moon
Thread: 9/3 Odyssey Crush placed between Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon; 9/5 dominant to Odyssey Cognac Moon
Odyssey Crush for placement
Saga's charts says: The five Crystal Eyes (Clear, Dream, Sea, Spring, Sun) have been placed in the chart between Key Lime and Ice Crystal, however we still need proof of dominance among them!!
The way it looks now:
Sea is dominant to Dream which is dominant to Clear
Sun is dominant to Clear
Spring is up for grabs
Thread: 8/5/2016 Crystal Sun is dominant to Crystal Sea
So Sun is dominant to Sea is dominant to Dream which is dominant to Clear
Because of the confusion of continuing to clump the Crystals, I am seperating them because they are placed except for Crystal Spring
Crystal Clear
Saga's chart Places Crystal Clear between Crystal Dream and Odyssey Burst
Crystal Dream
Saga's chart Places Crystal Dream between Crystal Sea and Crystal Clear
Crystal Sea
Saga's chart: between Key Lime and Crystal Dream
Thread: Placed between Crystal Sun and Crystal Dream
Crystal Spring
Saga's chart: between Key Lime and Odyssey Burst
Thread: 9/19/16 Crystal Spring is recessive to Crystal Sea
Crystal Sun
Saga's chart: between Key Lime and Crystal Clear
Thread: Placed between Key Lime and Crystal Sea
Exotic Seas
Saga's charts says: dominant to Rainbow Prism and recessive to Fancie Rose Diamond (5-eye spread)
Thread: 10/5/16 Exotic Seas is placed between Ody Wonder and Fancie Indigo Diamond
Frost
Saga's charts says: dominant to Starry Baby Blues and recessive to Crystal Berry
Thread: 9/19/16 Frost is dominant to Mercury
Canary for placement
Galaxy Burst
Saga's charts says: Galaxy Burst recessive to Exotic Journey
Placed 7/26/16:Galaxy Burst is between Exotic Journey and Galaxy Star.
Galaxy Moon
Saga's charts says: dominant to Violet and recessive to Tapestry Royale
Thread: 9/2 Galaxy Moon recessive to Strawberry Bellini
Fancie Purple Diamond, Odyssey Kaleidoscope, Jade
Galaxy Sun
Saga's charts says: Nothing yet
Thread: 8/1 Galaxy Sun is Placed between Odyssey Bellini and Grotto
Galaxy Trip
Saga's charts says: 8/25 update: dominanto to Odyssey Bellini, and recessive to Verdant
Thread: 8/26 dominant to Doubley Odyssey Love
Genesis Aqua, Bronze, Sunflower, Evergreen and Odyssey 2 Eyes
(I'll come back to this one as it's more than one and have to check Saga against the thread)
Malachite
Saga's charts says: 8/25/16 update dominant to Crystal Spring, Crystal Dream, Crystal Sea, and Frost and recessive to Key Lime
Thread: 8/11/16 Placed between Key Lime and Crystal Sun
Moss
Saga's charts says: recessive to Odyssey Bellini
Thread: 9/10/16 Placed between Onyx and Tranquility
Odyssey Adore
Saga's charts says: 8/25 update: Odyssey Adore dominant to Odyssey Fire & Rain and recessive to Crystal Berry
Canary, Mercury, Starry Baby Blues
Odyssey Cognac Wine
Saga's charts says: dominant to Bronze and recessive to Sunset and Odyssey Crush
Thread: 9/3 Odyssey Crush placed betwen Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon. Odyssey Cognac Wine is now between Odyssey Crush and Bronze
Odyssey Cognac Moon, Pewter, Pomegranate
[color=#FF0000]Odyssey Crush
Saga's charts says: dominant to Pewter & Cognac, and recessive to Double Dip Flora
Between DDF and Pewter
Thread: 9/3/16 Odyssey Crush placed between Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon
Odyssey Skyline
Saga's charts says: Placed 8/26/16: Odyssey Skyline is between Tapestry Royale and Rainbow Prism
Odyssey Slush
Saga's charts says: dominant to Mercury and recessive to Gerbera Purple (5-eye spread)
Thread: 8/21/16: Odyssey Slush is recessive to Bronze
Crystal Berry, Canary
Pewter
Saga's charts says:Placed 7/24/16: Pewter is between Odyssey Cognac Moon and Morning Dew.
Pomegranate
Saga's charts says: 8/25/16 update: dominant to Crystal Berry and recessive to Morning Dew
Thread: Placed 8/7/16: Pomegranate is between Morning Dew and Bronze
Pumpkin
Saga's charts says: dominant to Odyssey Bellini and recessive to Jade
Thread: 9/3/16 Pumpkin is dominant to Double Odyssey Love
Serenity
Saga's charts says: dominant to Ice Crystal and recessive to Crystal Sun
Thread: 9/14/16 Serenity is recessive to Ody Burst, placing it between Odyssey Burst and Ice Crystal
Sparkle Dream
Saga's charts says: 8/30 update: dominant to Fancie Teal Diamond and recessive to Morning Dew
Thread: 9/9/16 recessive to Bronze; 9/29/16 dominant to Bluberry
Tapestry Allure
Saga's charts says: dominant to Full Moon, and recessive to Gerbera Blue
Gerbera Pink, Gerbera Purple
Tapestry Reef
Saga's charts says: dominant to Mint Julep and recessive to Starry Baby Blues
Odyssey Fire & Rain for placement
Twilight
Saga's charts says: 8/25/16 update: dominant to Morning Dew, and recessive to Gerbera Blue & Crystal Crush
Thread: recessive to Full Moon & Crystal Crush; 8/26 dominant to Pewter; 9/2 Odyssey Crush placed between Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon
Odyssey Crush, Odyssey Cognac Moon for placement
Verdant
Saga's charts says: dominant to Strawberry Bellini and recessive to Odyssey Rainbow
Light Wash for placement
Update history:
6/17/16 Malachite is recessive to Key Lime
7/11/16 Pewter is placed between Odyssey Cognac Moon and Morning Dew
7/11/16 Crystal Crush is dominant to Bronze
7/15/16 Galaxy Trip is recessive to Verdant
7/18/16 Sparkle Dream is recessive to Morning Dew
7/22/16 Crystal Berry is recessive to Bronze
7/26/16 Galaxy Burst between Exotic Journey and Galaxy Star
8/1/16 Galaxy Sun placed between Odyssey Bellini and Grotto
8/5/16 Galaxy Trip is dominant to Ody Bellini
8/6/16 Crystal Sun is dominant to Crystal Sea
8/6/16 Seperated the Crystal eyes as most are placed: See Saga's chart showing: Crystal Sea > Crystal Dream > Crystal Clear
With the Crystal Sun re Crystal Sea, they are all placed except for Crystal Spring
Crystal Sun between Key Lime and Crystal Sea
Crystal Sea between Crystal Sun and Crystal Dream
Crystal Dream between Cystal Sea and Crystal Clear
Crystal Clear between Crystal Dream and Odyssey Burst
8/7/16 Pomegranate placed between Morning Dew and Bronze
8/11/16 Malachite are placed Key Lime and Crystal Sun
8/11/16 Odyssey Crush is recessive to Full Moon
8/14/16 Moss recessive to Onyx
8/16/16 Odyssey Adore recessive to Crystal Berry
8/21/16: Odyssey Slush is recessive to Bronze
8/23/16 Sparkle Dream dominant to Fancie Teal Diamond
8/23/16 Cognac is dominant to Pewter
8/25/16 Odyssey Adore Saga Chart update. Saga chart & thread now matches. Removed thread notation
8/26/16 Odyssey Skyline placed between Tapestry Royale and Rainbow Prism
8/26/16 Galaxy Trip dominant to Double Odyssey Love
8/26/16 Twilight is dominant to Pewter
8/26/16 Exotic Seas dominant to Odyssey Wonder
8/30/16 Odyssey Skyline Saga Chart update. Saga chart & thread now matches. Removed thread notation
8/30/16 Sparkle Dream Saga Chart update. Saga chart & thread now matches. Removed thread notation
9/2 Galaxy Moon recessive to Strawberry Bellini
9/3/16 Pumpkin is dominant to Double Odyssey Love
9/3/16 Odyssey Crush placed between Full Moon and Odyssey Cognac Moon
9/5/16 Autumn Leaf Recessive to Morning Glory
9/5/16 Crystal Crush is dominant to Odyssey Cognac Moon
9/9/16 Sparkle Dream is recessive to Bronze
9/10/16 Moss is placed between Onyx and Tranquility
9/14/16 Serenity is placed between Odyssey Burst and Ice Crystal
9/19/16 Crystal Spring is recessive to Crystal Sea
9/19/16 Frost is dominant to Mercury
9/29/16 Sparkle Dream is dominant to Bluberry
10/5/16 Exotic Seas is placed between Ody Wonder and Fancie Indigo Diamond
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-17-2016 03:10 AM
I'd like to create a community of folks to share dominance work so we don't individually have to have lots of eyes/furs/ whatever out.
Does anyone want to pair up on dominance work?
So to start with:
Malachite needs to be paired against
Key Lime
Odyssey Splash
I don't have either eyes open and I have 2 Malachite cats that I have matched against everything that needed dominance against that I have out so that they no longer need to be matched against Malachite. Therefore I am menagering my 2 Malachite cats.
However if you have a Key Lime or Ody Splash cat and want to pair with them, we can do a pairing. You can keep the children box(s) as long as you open it and test the child for hids to establish dominance of Malachite against Key Lime or Odyssey Splash. Or if you prefer, I can test the child (if you don't want to deal with kibble). On this, I only want to work with folks who have put up charts on the forum as a show of faith that you do work on sharing dominance. I'm not giving the cats (I like to keep access to their pedigree so would rather menagerie. Once you give a cat, you lose access to some pedigree info). So this would be a pairing not a gifting.
Cat stats (hids noted if I know them)
My cats
♀ Geneviekk McThisbeNutmeg
҈ 42 days ♥ 61% ☺ 69% ☪↯ 3% 모☁ 1%
Fur: Abyssinian - Dark Chocolate
Eyes: Malachite (Curious|Small)
hides: Autumn Leaf (Mysterious/Small)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Fussy
Ears: Soft Fold Boo Boo
hides: Scotty Fold
Whiskers: Dark Chocolate (Double Snappy)
Size: Normal
♂ Rudyard McCollettaBestandan
҈ 65 days ♥ 66% ☺ 69% ☪↯ 18% 모☁ 3%
Fur: Chateau Cat - Coffee & Cream No. 1
hides: Abyssinian - Dark Chocolate
Eyes: Malachite (Curious|Big)
Shade: Natural
hides: Twinkle
Tail: Fussy
hides: Posh
Ears: Soft Fold Boo Boo
hides: Soft Curl or Scotty Fold
Whiskers: Dark Chocolate (Double Snappy)
Size: Normal
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Ivy Norsk - 06-17-2016 09:21 AM
I have set up the following breeds (which doesn't mean that others shouldn't also - more paws make lighter work etc):
Crystal Crush versus Bronze
Pomegranate versus Bronze
Tapestry Allure versus Full Moon
I have been burying Galaxy Moon under Starry Baby blues but won't have definitive proof until a kitten pops showing the Galaxy Moon. I hope this happens next week. Also, that would still leave a huge range for Galaxy Moon. I know there was another pedigree posted that was *suggestive* that it was rec to Tapestry Royale, but not proved yet, and the breeder was going to test versus Jade. That would be very nice if that worked out.
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-17-2016 07:06 PM
Ivy Norsk let me know she has a Key Lime girl so we are going to pair it with my Malachite boy. Cross your fingers for us that we can find out quickly which is dominant! Thank you Ivy!
I menageried my Malachite girl.
We are also going to do a cross breeding with my Crystal Berry against her Bronze since I don't have Bronze out.
I am so happy! Those 2 eyes are so close to being placed and I don't have to waste time and kibble on opening new boxes just to get at a different set of eyes. Teamwork rules!
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Peaches Latrell - 06-17-2016 07:52 PM
I have proof that Key lime is dominant to Malachite
Elmer hides malachite:
![[Image: f1e2c676a4a10eaf10ba85c3e9bfec4b.png]](https://gyazo.com/f1e2c676a4a10eaf10ba85c3e9bfec4b.png)
he gives back flame with flame so I paired him with an extra choc tipped I have that shows key lime and the offspring has key lime (and silver whiskers grr) so the only thing this baby can hide is Elmer's malachite:
![[Image: abe8617032de7ffc9085115e9cfc98eb.png]](https://gyazo.com/abe8617032de7ffc9085115e9cfc98eb.png)
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-17-2016 08:26 PM
This is wonderful Peaches!
Can you repost this proof on the Malachite thread please?
https://kittycats.ws/forum/showthread.php?tid=19838
(I'd cheat and do an edit, copy everything, then paste everything in a new post in Malachite instead of retyping)
Also if you can send the proof into Saga's, pretty please.
Yay, thank you Peaches!
Saga's charts say
Malachite is dominant to Crystal Spring, Crystal Dream, and Frost and recessive to Oceania
Oceania (Retired) *
Odyssey Splash (Retired)
Key Lime *
CRYSTAL EYES!! (order among them still required:
Crystal Sea > Crystal Dream > Crystal Clear,
Crystal Sun > Crystal Clear,
Crystal Spring ? (All Ltd.Ed.)
Malachite is recessive to Key Lime
which means to be placed it needs to be tested against Crystal Sea and Crystal Sun
So almost placed.
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Peaches Latrell - 06-17-2016 08:57 PM
Yes, I will post it there now. I am glad my whisker failure helped with the eye placement, what a coincidence! I have starters I am finished with that hide several other eyes on your list so I will be pairing those up and trying to help on others.
(06-17-2016 08:26 PM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote: This is wonderful Peaches!
Can you repost this proof on the Malachite thread please?
https://kittycats.ws/forum/showthread.php?tid=19838
(I'd cheat and do an edit, copy everything, then paste everything in a new post in Malachite instead of retyping)
Also if you can send the proof into Saga's, pretty please.
This means that Malachite now only needs to be put against Ody Splash. Anyone out there with proof against Ody Splash or has Ody Splash out?
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-17-2016 09:09 PM
Thank you, Peaches! And I'm looking forward to seeing your charts on dominance.
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Alassariah Resident - 06-18-2016 02:29 AM
(06-17-2016 03:10 AM)Kayla Woodrunner Wrote: Crystal Berry
Saga's charts says: dominant to Canary, and recessive to Full Moon (also Twilight & Crystal Crush)
Thread: dominant to Canary, recessive to Morning Dew. Needs to be tested against Bronze to be placed
Crystal Berry/Bronze
Crystal Berry/Bronze
![[Image: f210cde6c174276500367c47d6b98607.png]](https://gyazo.com/f210cde6c174276500367c47d6b98607.png)
Quote:Galaxy Sun
Saga's charts says: Nothing yet
Thread: dominant for Exotic Breeze and recessive to Odyssey Bellini
Galaxy Sun/Grotto (as per https://kittycats.ws/forum/showthread.php?tid=25093&page=3)
![[Image: 84e97c7d7a9754fe95a894ebbc34bd12.png]](https://gyazo.com/84e97c7d7a9754fe95a894ebbc34bd12.png)
Quote:Pumkin
Saga's charts says: dominant to Odyssey Bellini and recessive to Jade
When Amran (Tapestry Organica) is grown, he can go with Debby (Pumpkin) to try to narrow the list.
![[Image: 55579146d7b4f761b3d4c44b4b88e4c8.png]](https://gyazo.com/55579146d7b4f761b3d4c44b4b88e4c8.png)
![[Image: 469690b0b01ad133a378b35600387cc4.png]](https://gyazo.com/469690b0b01ad133a378b35600387cc4.png)
Edit:
Quote:Sparkle Dream
Saga's charts says: dominant to Tapestry Royale and recessive to Crystal Dream
Thread: dominant to Fancie Rose Diamond
This box is untested so it's not proven (I am birthing it now), but Sparkle Dream may be dominant to Odyssey Dream. I will update later.
![[Image: 97ae92c88470bf419cfa2a7e7e76652d.png]](https://gyazo.com/97ae92c88470bf419cfa2a7e7e76652d.png)
RE: summer 2016 project: eyes needing placement - Kayla Woodrunner - 06-22-2016 03:46 PM
Wow, Alassariah! Can't wait to see the results of those pairings